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Dirigible Joined: 08-27-2003, 07:35 AM Posts: 1176 Location: Alameda, CA
Would you like to see The Maiden's bottom? Would you like to stroke your hand over the soft, smooth curves of your own Maiden's bottom? Then step right up, this is the thread for you!
Ehrm... ok, so we're talking about the sadly lacking bottom hull, of course. Get yer mind out of the gutter!
I've been contemplating kitbashing a bottom hull, and I figured i might as well start up a thread to gather some ideas and references. The geometry will be the hard part, especially getting those curves right with nothing but strips of paper. As for texturing, for now I'm only planning to attempt the outside. Just slap on a good planking texture (probably cobbled together from the rest of the hull). If we can get something out that looks good enough, I'm hoping we may be able to convince Denny to iilustrate the inside.
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Dirigible Joined: 08-27-2003, 07:35 AM Posts: 1176 Location: Alameda, CA
Ok, let's get cracking... First, we need some reference materials for ship hulls. I believe the consensus is that the Maiden is a Galleon. Here are some drawings that may come in handy:
If anyone knows where to find any more engineering-type drawings like the first one above, those would be *really* useful! (Especially those hull outlines in the bottom and top right of the first figure are priceless.)
Denny, if you feel the urge to bud in too, ye'r always welcome!
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Dirigible Joined: 08-27-2003, 07:35 AM Posts: 1176 Location: Alameda, CA
Couple of design ideas to mull around:
- The heart-shaped stern clearly visible in the third drawing seems to be quite typical of this kind of ship, so that one is a must. Besides, it's just about the only flat surface on the whole damn thing!
- I'm thinking of having a pretty substantial keel at the bottom - maybe two layers of foamcore sandwiched together?
- How deep should the bottom hull go? If we assume all of the missing part is below the waterline, how many inches are we aiming for? Should we have an intermediate deck above the bottom hold?
- For the middle section, I can probably get away with a generalized cilynder (i.e. with a non-circular cross section).
- For the bow and stern, I'm hoping I'll be able to use strips that are aligned with the planks, to minimize the number of obvious seams.
This means I don't have to continue to torture myself about how to do this!
I've been toying with the idea for a while (with no real results, unfortunately), but I'd rather focus on other things...
The only real thing I thought of was that the bottom should overlap the existing side hull, by about a half inch (using the same textures), so that it can be easily removed. This should be easy to do with modified hull braces that sit lower on the bottom's inside walls.
Gear Head Joined: 05-26-2004, 09:18 AM Posts: 905 Location: Dayton, OH
I have bought several wooden ship models that I want to build some day, you know, when I get time - or at least that was what I said when I got them. On a good side, the one item may have some interesting plans, at least for midships. I have a Center Secion of the Frigate Essex, which is open at front and back with complete details (except they used long guns, and Essex was known for its carronades). The thing that may help is the plans give a shape that you may be able to use. It will also give some idea on the thickness of the keel. I'll dig out the kit and scan that part of the plans.
Another part of the planning is what do you want the finish to look like? The Galeons are a bit early for coppering, but not completely unheard of. The most probably finish for the lower hull is white lead. Pictures of models in the museums and painting directions on kits show the bottom hull painted white, but this was a high lead content paint that was meant to keep the sea life from attaching themselves to the hull and eating holes in the wood. Not as successful as the later coppering. Also, a plain wood covered in tar, so black with some spots of wood showing here and there. There are many times that ships had to be beached while the hull was cleaned and fresh tar or paint applied, both to bring the ship back up to speed, literally, after taking lots of barnacles or other sealife greatly reduced their speed, and to act preventativley on long voyages.
One more thought - this might be a good time to raise the issue of second gun decks, turning the current lower deck into a gun deck and then having a lower deck with stowage, cable tier, etc. How about the "head"? The "seat of comfort", usually found at the fo'c'sle for the general crew, or in a side of the captains cabin. Take the Pubs and Inns toilet seats and place in these locations.
Lastly, an appropriate stand for the vessel, one with cutout support all around the shape of the lower hull, and a place for the name placks already included. Just a few things to think about.
Though it is worth pointing out that the Maiden is not a proper galleon, lacking the extra gun decks - being closer to a pinnace, or possibly a frigate or fourth rate. (all, including the pinnace, are to my mind superior vessels to the unstable galleon, the number that sank when being launched, or even from firing all the cannon on one side of the ship at the same time...)
The Auld Grump
*EDIT* I would lean toward the fourth rate, which is a very nice vessel indeed.
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Dirigible Joined: 08-27-2003, 07:35 AM Posts: 1176 Location: Alameda, CA
Some great suggestions, Tom!
Sure, if you have any plans you think may be useful, feel free to send them my way. Right now, I'm using the section curves on that first picture I posted.
For finishing... well, I'm not a graphic artist like Denny, so it'll have to be EASY. I was thinking to use a darker version of the side hull planking. But I think I could pull off a white paint look
Extra details, such as a second gun deck or head I'll gladly leave for someone else to kitbash. I think I'll have plenty on my plate just figuring out the hull geometry...
I wouldn't get too hung up on how many decks the Maiden has. Its obvious Denny compressed them for easy building and playability. Galleon (or Frigate) or not, using a 1" or even 1.5" scale, the Maiden doesn't have enough decks for really anything of its size. It also doesn't have enough gun ports on the top deck unless it is purely a merchant vessel.
But that is no biggie. Extra decks (including a full gun deck or two, and berths) are easy to add. I've been working on creating extra decks for my two Maidens (one full size, one two-master Brig sized). I'm currently doing them in Dundjinni, but I'm considering doing the final versions with actual Maiden flooring/walls. I'll likely use the current bottom deck of the Maiden as the hold, with the other decks in between the top deck and the hold (and not worrying about actually creating the bilge).
FYI, if you're interested in some fascinating literature involving the Navy and ships and such, Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin novels are excellent (if those names are familiar, it is because the movie Master & Commander is based of O'Brian's books). Its interesting how (at least in the Royal Navy) the terminology of a ship type is based not just on the ship itself, but the rank of its Captain.
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