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Author:  mrcaptainpants [ 10-13-2011, 05:14 PM ]
Post subject:  Anchorless versions of tiles

Hey WWG folks! :)

I was looking at the AWESOME floor tiles in the Shellendrak west wing set, and I was going to do a speed build of a large open "ballroom" kind of area by creating a large supertile. However, that's when I noticed that there are no anchorless versions of the tiles, which means that I would have to cut out anchors to cover up all the white "glue icon" rectancles, which sort of defeats the purpose of a "speed" build. For the build I'm trying to make, I don't need the achors, and with time being of the essence, it made me wonder why anchorless versions were not included.

I realize that its probably a fairly easy kitbash, however my version of Paint Shop Pro will not open the WWG pdf files, and my attempts to edit files in GIMP always produce results that don't print out the correct size.

Is there any chance that anchorless versions of the floor tiles for your sets could be made available? Or is there a reason that I'm not aware of for them not being included in the first place?

Just wondering. Thanks in advance for any responses.

Author:  vampifan [ 10-14-2011, 01:32 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Anchorless versions of tiles

I second this request.

Author:  BigBadBull [ 10-14-2011, 03:03 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Anchorless versions of tiles

3rd

Author:  Ghenghis_Ska [ 10-14-2011, 05:34 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Anchorless versions of tiles

could you do an easier Physical kit bash?

I am not 100% sure which floor you are refering to, but could you print out an extra floor tile and just cut out a section of floor to cover over anchor spots.

By this i mean if you are using the 1 inch or 1.5 inch gridded ones, just print out an extra floor, and cut out a few squares and just plop the whole square (in it's proper place) over the tab spots?

Author:  Nickydude [ 10-14-2011, 06:08 AM ]
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If I had Shellendrak west wing I could probably kitbash those for you but sadly I don't, sorry. May be some time in the future.

Author:  mrcaptainpants [ 10-14-2011, 07:11 AM ]
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Author:  mrcaptainpants [ 10-15-2011, 09:23 AM ]
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Hey Denny!

Another thought. I do recall that you have addressed the issue of layered pdfs before, and were not overly fond of the idea. However, the context of these discussions has been, to my knowledge, about adding customizeable options (such as door, no door, dirty, clean, etc.)

But how about if on the floor tiles -- and *only* the floor tiles -- you were to put the little white "glue here" rectangles on a separate layer? I'm not talking about adding any new features or creating any new art, just a simple toggle on/off for the white glue rectanges.

I'm also not suggesting that you go back and "redo" all the old tiles to accomodate this. I realize that's not feasible due to your current workload and the sheer number of tiles that already exist. But would you consider this as an option for future releases?

Author:  Gamesmith Denny [ 10-15-2011, 09:59 AM ]
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There have been major recent efforts to revise our workflow (the past few months), streamlining production overall. The changes we've been making will ensure that all future releases have absolute continuity and that every set includes standardized formatting & components. You'll see some fairly major production changes in the near future.

Layered PDF's are not off the table. More likely if we use it, it will be for organizing format concerns like the ones you've raised here. We've also been researching other options for handling layering in a way that works with our production process (doesn't slow us down). We also have to ensure that whatever we do, we're not excluding users with older computers or software platforms. PDF layering can play absolute havoc with older systems, rendering the PDF's almost unusable.

Author:  bayushi_shogo [ 10-15-2011, 10:08 AM ]
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I also belive that terralinx should have the tiles with and without the anchors - or the layer... I like the tiles but for now not able to do full builds... And having to cut and paste archors to not see the blank spots is toooo time for me !

So +1 to it !

Author:  mrcaptainpants [ 10-15-2011, 07:59 PM ]
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Thanks for the reply, Denny! I know you guys have been working really hard at streamlining everything, and I'm looking forward to seeing what changes are coming down the pipeline! Thanks a bunch, and keep up the good work! :ymapplause:

Author:  greypilgrim [ 10-16-2011, 05:22 PM ]
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How's this for a solution:
Surely, Denny and gang, you have what would have been the *original* basic tile before the "glue here" bits were added. Why not just make the original available as a free download for all who already have that set (consider it a 'company kitbash')? Or, using that original as a 'free sample' for everyone?
And for future sets, include the base tile in the set along with the "glue here" version.
[This would be similar to what you have done with the "Streets of Himmerveil" floortile set (in part at least).]

Author:  Jaynz [ 11-17-2011, 08:46 PM ]
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Okay, not to sound too much like a jerk here, but... is this really that much of an issue for the other sets? I've got Armory and it took all of about 20 seconds to copy-paste out those bits using Photoshop (which is overkill, anything else could do it). 300dpi with the tiles being exactly 1" in size... I'm struggling to see how much of a problem this is.

Sure, there's no reason for WorldWorks not to include a 'anchorless' version of floors in the future, but I'm having a hard time seeing the difficulty in just editing them out. Am I missing something?

Author:  Akmor [ 11-17-2011, 11:48 PM ]
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The problem is that not everyone has access to an image editing program that allows the opening of PDF files.
And even with such an access, it seems that half the time, the opening process just screw up the proportions, leading to square tiles that are not totally square (I did have that problem once, and I do use photoshop elements, but I suspect a printer problem in my case).

Just my 2 cents...

Author:  mproteau [ 11-18-2011, 04:55 AM ]
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Author:  Zenguy [ 11-18-2011, 05:05 PM ]
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Author:  joydyhee [ 11-18-2011, 06:13 PM ]
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Thanks for the basics! I am sure this will help many.

I think I slightly disagree with Zenguy, however. The only step that should cause the majority of noobs issues is step 3, tweaking the image, because you actually have to know what and how to use the available tools.

Author:  joydyhee [ 11-18-2011, 06:13 PM ]
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Thanks for the basics! I am sure this will help many.

I think I slightly disagree with Zenguy, however. The only step that should cause the majority of noobs issues is step 3, tweaking the image, because you actually have to know what and how to use the available tools.

Granted - that step is a BIG one!

Author:  mproteau [ 11-18-2011, 07:38 PM ]
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If you've never done it before, it's daunting for sure. I'll try to work something up this weekend that walks through each step without leaving things out. But for sure, I think I captured the gotchas - the importing of the pdf, and the exporting of the pdf. When I did things correctly and the new image fit perfectly on a slide in OpenOffice, I knew I was on the right track!

Author:  mrcaptainpants [ 11-18-2011, 07:47 PM ]
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Author:  Zenguy [ 11-19-2011, 01:46 AM ]
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Author:  joydyhee [ 11-19-2011, 04:10 AM ]
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Author:  Talae [ 11-19-2011, 07:39 AM ]
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IIRC, that was not a great solution due to gluing over ink/toner and that causing problems. I remember reading it somewhere from someone (maybe LD?) that tested it themselves.

Author:  greypilgrim [ 11-24-2011, 03:01 AM ]
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@mproteau: thank you for the steplist. I'm still learning the ins and outs of GIMP. I haven't even begun to understnad how to work the alpha channel to make an overlay. I'm hoping this helps me whne I can find the time to get back to studying and working the process... now just have to grab that other program, too...

Author:  mproteau [ 11-24-2011, 10:25 AM ]
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Did you have a look at the kitbash section where I tried to be more detailed about how to get started? If I can clarify anything, I'll try to fill in the gaps!

Author:  greypilgrim [ 11-27-2011, 12:37 PM ]
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+1 for Zenguys's suggestion of 'organic' gluepoints.

Author:  Sholto [ 12-16-2011, 07:50 AM ]
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I just bought Mayhem Destroyed, and was disappointed to see that (unlike Himmelveil) it does not come with anchorless versions of the floor PDFs.

I know it is TLX and the anchors are a key part of that system, but I had assumed (my fault, I know) that because Himmelveil did it that way all TLX systems would do it that way.

I will see what I can bash together in GIMP - thanks to mproteau for the guide.

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