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I am all about approaching this ethically. However, I am looking at this outside of WWG. We all have a (somewhat) personal relationship with Denny and Co., so we may be approaching this more tenderly than we would, say WotC. Anyone care about those making compatible products for any version of D&D? Yes, we WANT to see an OGL, but people have been making compatible products for years. And that is a company (and TSR before it) that has always put out tons of official material. Just throwing that out there.
I wonder exactly how much change would be needed to make a compatible version of TLX without losing compatibility? The Tabs are simple enough, just change them so they have a the same general size but a signifigant enough change in shape to be called different. The posts and walls just need a reshape of the tabs and slits. Anchors are the same. The Tiles though, that's difficult. Its a SQUARE! With HOLES! that's it. Would adding a hole and perhaps changing the shape of it from /___\ at the end (look at the files and you know what I mean) to something else |__| or something different be enough? Because you can't really change its general square shape without losing compatibility there.
I am what goes bump in the night, stirs in the dark, and howls at the stars. What hides under the monster's bed and in the boogie man's closet. I am Drazel: The Red Reaper!
why do you think you'd need to change anything? Making your own templates from scratch shouldnt be that hard, would it? I think you shouldnt call it TLX compatible though to not infringe trademarks but there should be other ways to make people know that it is compatible. Be prepared that some people draw the moral club thought if you do that But that topic has been beaten do death here and elswhere...
The format is under copyright, now I could make it all from scratch (Which I'm doing) but if I make it all 100% the same it would still be infringement. So I'll have to redesign lots of it. I also already have an idea on the tiles. I also not going to say it outright but if I sell a copy or two to a few internet friends (or it becomes popular enough to make a business out of :3) I don't want to end up in court. Better safe then sorry you know?
I am what goes bump in the night, stirs in the dark, and howls at the stars. What hides under the monster's bed and in the boogie man's closet. I am Drazel: The Red Reaper!
I am what goes bump in the night, stirs in the dark, and howls at the stars. What hides under the monster's bed and in the boogie man's closet. I am Drazel: The Red Reaper!
What am I implying that you don't agree with? The fact that I might sell a copy or few of my work? I'm not planning on doing that or opening up a whole company based off my work. Would I be happy if that happened? Yes, of course I would! If said opportunity presented itself (be it a few friends or the company) and I didn't take it I would be an idiot. To get paid doing something you love is the best thing ever!
But don't take me for a fool, I don't expect any of that to become a reality. But this is digital works. A misplaced email and it could end up all over the internet. Forget a flashdrive at a coffee shop and it could end up all over the internet. Sell it to one friend and it could end up all over the internet. Or start a company on the internet. If any of these were to happen and I infringed on their copyright then I could end up with a hefty fine.
In all reality, this work will probably stay within my small gamers group, but I like to wear my seatbelt so to speak just to make sure I'll be safe. Better to be safe then fined!
I am what goes bump in the night, stirs in the dark, and howls at the stars. What hides under the monster's bed and in the boogie man's closet. I am Drazel: The Red Reaper!
I disagree with your assessment of the legal situation. If you create your own templates from scratch you are not using any of the illustrations that WWG has a copyright on. You might be using a pattern that describes how to build terrain. A pattern cannot be subject to copyright (it could only be subject to a utility patent, which I don't think is the case here). Finally I think design patents would also not apply here as these apply to items (the famous case with the ipad corners).
With terraclips the case is completely different of course!
Even so, I wouldn't want to wrong the original creators of the work by just copying exactly what they did. I also have some issues/improvements/additions I want to fix/implement/add. I want to play with adding foamcore centers to the walls and playing around with the anchors and such. Just ideas I'm bouncing around my head. I still want the pieces to be interchangeable and even do some conversions from older sets and from other terrain into the original TLX format.
A lot of the pdf files will be simplified down to a page or two for each different piece. Playing with layers and such. Being able to choose a door, window, wall texture, ect from a myriad of styles. Something like what Dave Graffam does with his pdf files and such. Just adds more customization options. Of course it will have full transparency support
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Thanks, Neale, that clarifies this.
I'm guessing the other supplier must have been using WWG's TLX graphic, which would be covered by copyright, as I haven't been able to find any record of WWG having registered a trademark for TLX or its derivatives.
Given WWG's own hiatus I think that other people selling TLX compatible products is likely to be better for WWG overall, as it will attract more customers to the format and WWG still has the best sets.
The obvious thing for anyone wanting to use TLX format while maintaining integrity with WWG would be to a) include acknowledgement that WWG was the original creator of the underlying format, and b) provide clear links back to WWG. That way the new supplier would be operating in support of WWG rather than merely competing.
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Its for my gaming group so more personal than anything. Of course once I get it going there will be pics posted, so if people wanted a copy I would be happy to send them my paypal details XD. The additions I have in mind are simply trying to get flatter anchors as I've heard that some people had problems with them not folding completely flat and getting in the way. I'll play with this once I get tto that position and if they indeed pose a problem I'm going to work on a version that folds into the tile vs sits on top. Then theres the FoamCore inserts for the walls for variouse reasons there. Since the format isn't under copyright I won't have to redesign everything from the tabs and posts anymore like I originally planned to, though I will be making additions/modifications still so I'm not wronging (at least in my mind) the original WWG Developers.
Some of these will increase build time, others may decrease it, and others may have no effect. I'm currently working (albeit at a slow pace since I'm moving, just started work, and balancing bills and school on top of that) on only TLX format stuff right now. I may look into Swift Scenics and make my own adaptations (more support for TLX compatibility and maybe work a way to get interiors into it?) and even the swift scenics/tlx storage boxes things are getting a work through eventually.
A lot of this is just at the drawing board (some of it isn't even there yet ) and until I get moved and settled with a nice workstation to tap away on my computer with and finish my current Inn of The Feisty Friar tlx build, a lot of stuff is on the back burner.
I am what goes bump in the night, stirs in the dark, and howls at the stars. What hides under the monster's bed and in the boogie man's closet. I am Drazel: The Red Reaper!
The C&D would be from his lawyer, not him. Though you may be able to still talk to him.
I am what goes bump in the night, stirs in the dark, and howls at the stars. What hides under the monster's bed and in the boogie man's closet. I am Drazel: The Red Reaper!
Do you really think Denny would follow through with a C&D yet refuse contact with that person personally? I can't see what the win would be for him in that situation unless he was interested in selling or reviving the property, which it seems like he isn't intent on doing. Either this new hypothetical product is made and released, no problems, or a C&D comes through which acts as a talking point of where to go from here. I'm no legal expert but I just don't see the third option being useful from Denny's POV.
What I'm saying is that the letter would be from his lawyer. I'm not well versed in this area so I'm not sure if they would send his contact info on it. I'm assuming any contact would be to his lawyer who very well could just refuse allowing you to contact him. I mean you did something legally in the grey just to get his attention to send a C&D letter your way on the premise of you wanting to engage in communication? If I was the lawyer I'd be like "Nope crazy person!"
I am what goes bump in the night, stirs in the dark, and howls at the stars. What hides under the monster's bed and in the boogie man's closet. I am Drazel: The Red Reaper!
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