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WorldWorksGames • View topic - Complete Cost of TLX Kits
Trying to convince my friends that TLX is a better investment than Terraclips.
$11.50 for the PDF. Print pages as often as I want. $16 for 250 sheets of 110lb Stock at Staples (Cheaper sources, anyone?) Ink costs are variable, but the printer we have each cartridge costs $50, but they print (according to the manfacturer) 2,000 pages. Even assuming half that, 1,000 pages makes ink $.05 a page
So I'm estimating That's (.05*250) $12.50 in ink per 250 page ream, Making the ream $28.50 pritned. Add in the PDF and that's $40. Glue, I paid $6 for both the glue stick and the glue pen I'm using, and $1 for the hobby blade refills. $47 and I have 250 SHEETS of material, which is what? Lost Halls of the Dwarven King, 6" Tiles come 1 per page, If I make a 4x4 space, that's 64 pages. Then walls, and columns and anchors, that's easily a hundred pages, right? I still have half the ream of paper to go and I have how many more sq feet that Terraclips for the same (approximate) cost.
This is the argument I have been using. Am I right? Can I estimate the build price (excluding "labor"} at $0.21 per printed sheet, and from the PDF get the total cost to build more readily?
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I should point out that my boss is an accountant by trade, so he really gets into estimating costs by fractions of pennies and looks at bizarre things like the depreciation that 250 pages of cardstock will put through the printer, so every X thousand pages I have to factor in buying a new printer, which I can then distribute the cost of over x,000 pages again, blah blah. I don't intend to go that detailed, but just really wanted a way to "calculate" the cost of a small build
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Boiler Joined: 06-01-2009, 11:22 AM Posts: 394 Location: U.S. Colorado
I understand your point of view. The Terra clips may sound like a lot of money all at once, but I think you get pretty close in cost with the TLX especially when you consider the time involved. Still, I am staying with TLX. I like the doing part of the hobby. All of the cutting and edging don't really bother me. This give me an artistic outlet of a sort. Plus, if I find the next build needs extra pieces I can just print and build what I want right away w/o the waiting, for the money and the time.
You must have a laser printer, 2000 pages never came out of one ink jet cartridge. I love my laser printers.
First, nitpicks: [*] Tiles cost 1+ pages if you have anchors (I think its 1.3 or so). Also, you need foamcore for tiles. [*] Your initial hobby blade will cost $$, especially if its good quality - and cutting that much you want something heavy duty. [*] Don't forget the cost of pens to edge. [*] Did you include the cost of a cutting mat?
Second, I think this is an apples to oranges. Terraclips costs more in money, Linx costs (substantially) more in time. What is a more precious resource?
I still love making terrain, but after almost 10 years of doing so, I'm finding I like doing other hobby activities, too (painting now, is the new thing - due to Reaper Kickstarter, coincidentally enough). Plus time with the family and friends is a precious commodity, and worth a considerable amount. Plus I have a fair income. Add that together, and I'll go for Terraclips.
I see it as a tradeoff. There is more variety overall with Linx. There are some interesting things available in TCP that you can't get in TLX.
One other thing to note - its much easier to convert TLX to TCP than the reverse. I've made a number of tiles and wall sections from TLX sets (stretching walls appropriately). The reverse would require scanning and templates and ... yuck.
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Alot of the cost difference is in how much you already have on hand. For me getting up and running with TLX was the cost of the sets. Since I do a lot of modeling and terrain projects any way the on going TLX costs are a bit of wash in my hobby as a whole. If you are just starting up to do terrain or just want some for certain parts of that RPG scenario then TCP and WotC's Dungeon tiles can be a much much smarter investment.
If you have time and do modeling hobbies anyway then TLX is often cheaper over all since you are already "spending time" on hobbies already, plus you have so much more variety at the moment.
If you do not have the hobby time or don't like terrain projects, then the cost of TCP while high upfront save in time spent.
The numbers start to be all over the place when you start to look at project in the 4x4 up to 8x4 multi level wargame boards.
I'm a hobby modeler over on the Reaper Miniatures Forums, so yeah, I already had the tools and mats and such. This was mostly an exercise in convincing my boss that DIY terrain was cheaper than prefab.
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WorldWorks Moderator Joined: 03-01-2007, 10:26 AM Posts: 1975 Location: Chicago, Il
The big payoff in TLX is if you need multiple of a specific item. As you can print as many sheets as you want for a fixed cost of x a sheet, printing off three of those specific double doors is way cheaper then buying three complete TCP sets to get those same three doors.
If you are looking for cost benefit comparisons that's one of your big savings.
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Sprocket Joined: 11-08-2012, 04:52 PM Posts: 26 Location: San Francisco, CA
Seriously don't neglect the cost of foamcore. In my experience it tends to run about $5/sheet and each sheet will give you, hmm... 12 6x6 tiles IIRC. Occasionally you can find deals, but it's quite expensive.
I also found out that, surprisingly enough, just sitting in the office of my apartment a few sheets of it have warped rather badly. I'm not running a sauna here or anything either. San Francisco is just an incredibly humid/damp city. I've had books warp just sitting on the shelf before.
Boiler Joined: 06-01-2009, 11:22 AM Posts: 394 Location: U.S. Colorado
While the costs Of TLX are hidden, TCP is right up front. With TCP you buy it and that is it, no more expense, except that you will never have enough. With TLX it only costs a few bucks to purchase, a few bucks to build, and some time to build it, and the cost of paper, and glue, and blades, and everything else. But With TLX it is a nickle here and a dime there, forever. TCP is fifty bucks now, and fifty bucks later, and two hundred bucks later still and a hundred and fifty bucks even later and ...
So, whats the difference? TCP does cost less time and leaves more time to game. I guess.
Boiler Joined: 06-01-2009, 11:22 AM Posts: 394 Location: U.S. Colorado
When one looks at the products and what each brings to the game, how can one really bash any of it? Even when I don't want to use TCP I really can't say it is an inferior product. I do like it, it just isn't right for me. TLX pretty much fills the bill for me. I print off what I want, when I want it. When I start thinking about what is next, TLX has so many options I don't really feel like I need anything else, until those stables get finished, or when the come up with something else. Shoot, I have even purchased some Sci-fi and modern stuff and I don't even play them. Just in case, you know.
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