We'll get it there Hulkster
I think we all appreciate the concerns and we're definitely listening.
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| Author: | Zenguy [ 06-17-2011, 03:26 AM ] |
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| Author: | DougT [ 06-17-2011, 04:03 AM ] |
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The sets look real good and I look forward to their release and availability. I do agree that a clear statement that the clips are an additional purchase should be prominently displayed on the boxes. As far as the clips damaging the pieces if included in the box, well over the past half century and more of me buying stuff off the shelf or through the mails and shipping companies there have been plenty of products that included various hard components made of either metal or hard plastic along with the softer components made of either pressboard, cardboard, foam, etc. where the hard components did not damage the soft components at all. I am sure the products had been shipped over long distances including long ocean voyages on ships at sea, either to warehouses then store shelves or directly to my home. The hard components where in a separate box or a bag in the larger box containing everything needed to construct the product. |
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| Author: | prezo [ 06-17-2011, 04:30 AM ] |
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| Author: | Gamesmith Denny [ 06-17-2011, 07:52 AM ] |
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| Author: | Sholto [ 06-17-2011, 08:17 AM ] |
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| Author: | hulkster [ 06-17-2011, 08:43 AM ] |
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| Author: | Gamesmith Denny [ 06-17-2011, 10:11 AM ] |
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We'll get it there Hulkster I think we all appreciate the concerns and we're definitely listening.
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| Author: | ehisey [ 06-17-2011, 12:29 PM ] |
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| Author: | hulkster [ 06-17-2011, 12:50 PM ] |
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| Author: | Zenguy [ 06-17-2011, 02:17 PM ] |
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| Author: | TheAuldGrump [ 06-17-2011, 06:21 PM ] |
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The thing that both WWG and Wyrd need to keep in mind is that you only get one chance to make a good first impression - and that chance has already been hurt by a one year (!) production delay. Sell a bundle with the clips and terrain taped together, put a clearly visible coupon on the cover for a discount on the clips, but otherwise folks are going to view selling the clips separately as a clumsily hidden cost. Distributors won't 'make it crystal clear' - this is one small line of support products. They won't tell every retailer that they will need to buy the clips as well - it just isn't going to be that important to them. (Ask anyone who has had to deal with Alliance.) The distributors will most likely mention the need in their catalog, but game stores are as prone to poorly researched impulse buys as their customers - and this terrain is pretty enough that there will be impulse buys by the stores. You may well see impulse buys by stores that don't even carry Malifaux. People do judge a book by the cover, and they will feel betrayed, even if the box mentions the need for clips, especially if there are no clips to be had in the store - adding a one or two week wait to what might have been an impulse buy. The Auld Grump |
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| Author: | Talae [ 06-17-2011, 07:01 PM ] |
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| Author: | menace [ 06-17-2011, 10:48 PM ] |
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I think there is a good reason why clips and card aren’t packaged together. It’s a matter of getting more for your money. I know there are nutters like me who will combine 6 sets to make dazzling 10-story layouts, but most people will combine 2 sets together for a nice Malifaux table. For your first 2 sets, combining clips with the core product looks like the natural thing to do, but not so for your 3rd or 4th set. You can only play 1 game at a time, so when you could only buy combo deals, you would spend 18$ each time for connectors that you won’t need anymore. Compare it to TLX. On your first set, you make a lot of connector tabs. When you make your third set, you just use the old ones you had already done. Making combo deals would only be interesting for first time buyers, not for people who have tried the system, like it and want more. It’s like GW selling their plastic kits with a bottle of polystyrene glue and a few bottles of paint in every single one of them. Sure, for the first one it is nice, because you have everything in the box. After your third rhino though, you end up with a lot of paint and glue that you’ll never use. So only selling them as combo packs isn’t a good idea. The alternative is selling separate deals, I guess. A combo "starter" pack for each and a single "expansion" pack for each. Which would result in 7 different products instead of 4 at the moment. That’s where stock costs and shop real estate comes into play though. selling a line of 7 products means most shops will just pass on it because they haven’t got the money or the place to invest in it. So yes, I agree that it might be confusing like this, but I think it is the best compromise that was possible. |
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| Author: | AJB2K3 [ 06-18-2011, 12:58 AM ] |
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| Author: | menace [ 06-18-2011, 04:01 AM ] |
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| Author: | TheAuldGrump [ 06-18-2011, 06:15 AM ] |
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| Author: | Akmor [ 06-18-2011, 06:53 AM ] |
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As this is a beginning product, it should be important to have clips included in the box. After all, nobody already have clips, so every body is going to buy a set box and a clip box... Then later on, packaging could be redone to separate clips from the set boxes. But I agree with most comments about the necessity to have everything you need in one box at first. As Grump said, it could be the difference between a market killer or a very good idea that didn't work (like so many) |
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| Author: | bayushi_shogo [ 06-18-2011, 08:08 AM ] |
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I only feel lucky to be at the forum...because I would belive that it was like last year and don't bought the clips... if it's clear from the begining (in the package) that you need the clips then I can't see the "panick"... Would it be better to have as a starter set all togheter or at least a enought to begin to play... Yes ! Would itbe apocalypsis ? I think not ! I only hope that things go well and you can learn from the "mistakes" ... I belive having the guts of say NO and wait a year to go on tell a lot of the quality you want to give ! |
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| Author: | Halcy [ 06-18-2011, 09:06 AM ] |
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| Author: | muribundi [ 06-18-2011, 10:38 AM ] |
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While having the clips seperate kinda sucks, it will not kill the product. Alot of people are interested in these sets , and aside from some complaining will still buy because there really is nothing else out there like this. This is a hobby item for a niche market, now if you get big enough to sell these at ToysRus and Walmart you might want to include the clips, but for now seperate is while not preferable , fine with me and I'm sure many other gamers. As a hypothetical , lets say I did buy these on impulse and knew nothing about them. I'd get home realise I couldnt build without another purchase. Then I would rage and cuss like no tomorrow , tell everyone that stops by the house how lame it is that I have to buy something else to make the terrain, in general throw a fit. Then I'd get over it buy the clips , and call my friends a couple of days later to come see the awsome build I made with my new terrain box. Then they would want to go buy a box (and some clips , having learned from my mistake)to build their own. The only thing I can see killing this product is if availability of the clips fails . If I cant find the clips to buy for my terrain box I'd probably sell the box and be done with the product (at least until some new awsome expansion set comes out that I will have to have) As long as you're marketing to nerd's like me the coolness factor will outweigh the inconvenience , and the cost. Going mass market you'd need another solution. As a huge fan of Malifaux I know how much buzz there is about these boxes in their community , and getting lovely counters for Malifaux in every box far outweighs the seperate clips situation for me. The wait for these was so long that I finnally decided to bite the bullet and download some terrainlinx sets. I've built so much terrain for the table that I don't need the terraclips boxes, and wasn't going to buy them. Then I saw the new photos. I thought these were just going to be thoumonts and streets in a box , but no you had to rework all the textures and make counters for the game I play so now I have to figure out how to afford to make multiple purchases of these and still eat.(I still love you guys though). |
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| Author: | schekker [ 06-18-2011, 01:54 PM ] |
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I'm more pessimistic about the separation of the clips, especially since it was announced differently last year. Heck, I even went to Maelstrom games (one of the best places to buy it from Europe) just a few minutes ago, and their picture of each set still states incorrectly that the clips are included. And almost everyone who pre-ordered last year and just kept their pre-order in the trust that it would eventually arrive, is in for a very nasty surprise. It is not August yet, but people start pre-ordering again, and clearly the news hasn't reached all outlets yet. |
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| Author: | Fl0ydski [ 06-18-2011, 01:56 PM ] |
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ok...so ... $118 + s/h set aside for Streets & Buildings. And a set of clips. Hope that 1 set is enough to pull of something similar to the promo image of said two sets. I both understand and yet scratch my head at the segregated release. I would have liked to see a set of clips intended for a predetermined set of designs packaged in. But hey, what do I know. You're the mastermindzez... I am simply a patron & fan. Absolutely stonking beautiful btw. Live the smoke grey clips. Love the integration. Love seeing your dogged perseverance become a reality. By the looks of it...well worth every minute of blood-sweat and paper cuts. ~Will(aka. Floyd) |
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| Author: | TheAuldGrump [ 06-18-2011, 02:14 PM ] |
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Reading the descriptions given on sites: FRPGames - No mention of buying clips Warstore - No mention of buying clips Miniature Market - No mention of buying clips Maelstrom - No mention of buying clips (Listed Above) Wayland Games - No mention of buying clips *EDIT* Paizo - No mention of buying clips So much for 'Crystal Clear'. In most if not all cases the boxes, when they are shown, are either from when the set was going to contain the clips or is too blurry to read the no clips warning easily. Wanna bet that none of the places that have TerraClips up for pre-order mention it? Typical image shown. Note - in blurry letters it still reads 'Includes One Combo Pack of Clips' The Auld Grump |
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| Author: | DeltaIce [ 06-18-2011, 07:41 PM ] |
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| Author: | Redcrow [ 06-18-2011, 11:40 PM ] |
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| Author: | Matthew777 [ 06-19-2011, 08:24 AM ] |
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Uh oh - looks like none of the online stores (the major ones anyway) are making it clear that clips are needed.... that could be a problem... and stickering the boxes won't help for the online folks. |
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| Author: | Skeptic [ 06-19-2011, 09:26 AM ] |
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| Author: | Skeptic [ 06-19-2011, 09:33 AM ] |
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| Author: | Perram [ 06-19-2011, 09:40 AM ] |
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| Author: | Gamesmith Denny [ 06-19-2011, 02:54 PM ] |
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