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Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 10-02-2012, 12:31 PM ]
Post subject:  [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

Well, the local Books-a-Million! got the reprinted 3.5 rules in, and within a couple of days... all the Pathfinder Core Rule books sold, leaving two of each 3.5 book on the shelves....

I... don't understand that. The 3.5 books are limited edition, the Pathfinder books will be in print for at least a while longer, so why did the Pathfinder books outsell the 3.5 books, and why did the 3.5 books help sales of Pathfinder? :-\

The reprinted 3.5 books and the Pathfinder Core book go for the same amount, though the Pathfinder book is thicker, and pretty much contains both the Player's Handbook and the Dungeon Master's Guide. (The Gamemastery Guide is not quite the same thing.)

But still...?

The Auld Grump

Author:  Jaynz [ 10-02-2012, 12:49 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

Check out the prices of the 3.5 reprints (remembering that you need three books), and you'll start answering the question.

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 10-02-2012, 04:09 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

Well, yeah (I even mentioned it) but that is a reason to get Pathfinder eventually, not right now! :P

I agree with their choice, but still.... Six copies of the core rules for Pathfinder vs four copies of the PHB. Then again, if those folks also bought the MM and DMG then the total number of 3.5 sales was higher... unless, of course, the folks that bought the PFCR also bought the Bestiary and/or GMG/APG/UC/UM.... But only counting the PHB vs. PFCR, the PFCR is in the lead.

I wonder if this is only a local phenomenon.

The Auld Grump, I want the 3.5 rules to do well... so well that WotC decides to bring them back into general circulation....

Author:  Zenguy [ 10-02-2012, 05:25 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

Seems like straight forward customer thinking to me...

In the D&D corner we have:
1. D&D goes back to v3.5 (that's what it looks like)
2. 3.5 only has the core rules
3. D&D is moving to v5 'soon', so 3.5 is only a short term purchase

In the Pathfinder corner we have:
1. The most active version of 3.5
2. A better version of 3.5 than 3.5 itself
3. Lots of new add-ons and adventures, and a commitment to stick with current Pathfinder
4. Pathfinder looks good and costs a lot less

End result: why get old 3.5 when you can get shiny up to date 3.5 (Pathfinder) for less?

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 10-02-2012, 06:16 PM ]
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Author:  tatteredking [ 10-03-2012, 05:42 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

exactly....would you buy 3.0Ed Collectors Edition, knowing it had no support, couldn't buy anything new for it, and knowing that 3.5 fixed all the issues with 3.0?

Author:  robby [ 10-03-2012, 07:48 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

I *almost* bought the AD&D reprints (despite having originals on my shelf), mostly because of the charity bit, but because in a lot of ways AD&D was the definitive RPG.

No possible way I'd buy the 3.5 reprints. They're not the definitive version of anything.

Author:  yosefbender [ 10-04-2012, 08:09 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted


Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 10-06-2012, 04:43 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

And Pathfinder is getting ready to finish being in the lead for a solid year.

I ran into a couple of F4ns at BaM! today - who were in denial about that.... ('Yeah, it was in the lead - for two widely separated quarters!' - turns out that it was two widely separated quarters, followed by a solid year.... Either their info was out of date, or they stopped looking, 'cause it hurt....)

I think that the 5e announcement helped Pathfinder and hurt 4e.

But I still expected a better showing from 3.5 being reissued.

No one that I know is excited by 5e. Not even the sole 4e fan that I know. (Brother of one of my Pathfinder players - he refused to play 3.5, but was willing to play Pathfinder; he was a minor reason for the teens 'n' tweens game switching to Pathfinder.)

The Auld Grump

Author:  tiles [ 10-07-2012, 07:16 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

3.5 reprint is a nostalgic purchase, not ment to drum up new gamers like Pathfinder, so an apple orange comparison IMHO.

In the race for new sales Pathfinder still is cleaning up on the worst received WOTC edition yet. Kinda like a car winning a race with a bike with a flat tire. Not exactly bragging material, but a clear indicator of 4e's failings.

Personally I have been waiting for 5 yrs for a Pathfinder core book to show up at my local half-price books. When will someone give up that book!! (One beta test book is it!) Anyone recommend it?

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 10-07-2012, 01:10 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

Agreed - I don't think that Pathfinder is doing as well as 3.X at its peak, but is selling more consistently than 4e. 4e was a textbook example of what not to do when changing your core brand. (Hey! I know! Let's insult the folks that still like 3.5! :D )

But... the market is maturing, and I think that most of the folks that want the core books will have them soon.

Then again, Paizo claims not to rely on core sales, that the money is in the supplements and adventures.

Ah well....

5e... still not grabbing me - it is not that it is bad, it is just that there is better. Right now, they need to be better than Pathfinder, not 'something almost as good' and not 'something completely different'.

The Auld Grump

Author:  Zenguy [ 10-07-2012, 02:22 PM ]
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Author:  Kane [ 10-07-2012, 03:00 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

Its the corporate mentality that is killing companies like WotC and GW. Rather than adding depth to the existing product, they just drop it and re-invent it to "force" players to move on. It is VERY simple. Make a solid core product. Sell expansions in the form of settings, factions, supplements, new miniatures, etc. You DON'T have to resell the same game in a new package every few years to keep making money! But to make CORPORATION level money, they think they do. Its losing them more fans than gaining, I should think.

Author:  Zenguy [ 10-07-2012, 05:45 PM ]
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Author:  Ninevah [ 10-08-2012, 03:11 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: [Dungeons & Dragons] 3.5 Reprinted

I think the 3.5 books being re-offered sends a subtle message to D&D fans that WotC has either admitted they made a mistake with 4th ed. or it feels to them like it's a desperate grab for quick cash from players. I just think that's what players out there are starting to conclude--whether it's true or not. And that's kinda making more of them consider Pathfinder. If it appears that your traditional favorite publisher is having issues/losing focus with its product line, it's a little easier for someone to say, "Pathfinder is selling well and they don't seem to be going anywhere, so maybe we should look at that, rather than continue buying a product that might be dying."

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