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Post subject: Murder at Balders Gate- What is Wotc thinking??
Posted: 08-27-2013, 08:02 AM
Boiler Joined: 05-20-2010, 07:12 PM Posts: 243
I am not comfortable posting anything (at all)(anywhere) on internet forums, but the newest offering from Wizards of the Coast has me saying W T F ??
My regular group is coming back from a break and we agreed to start fresh with 1st level D&D Next Wotc "Sundering" playtest "Murder at Balders Gate". Let me start by saying that it is a well produced adventure module. It is fresh and different from anything I have ever seen them produce. As a stand alone adventure I am encouraged and excited to see Wizards present this change of direction.
However, (spoilers)
No Monsters! (almost)
The adventure opens with a solo monster to engage the characters in the story, but after that... nada. The entire remaining adventure is a string of social encounters, tasks, heists, and endless choices and opportunities to influence events.
But no monsters. No undead, no goblins, no caves, no giant crocs, no wandering monster table, nothing. No ENCOUNTERS! At all! Not even a single battle of any kind is prepared for the DM.
Wizards is launching their "Sundering" kick off with this adventure as a starting point for a string of modules designed to influence the outcome of the Forgotten Realms reboot. I am glad to see them try something new, however I can't help but wanting to ask "why now?"
Who is this module for? New players? Established gamers? It feels like they are trying to hit a target market of some kind, just not theirs. It appears like they are expanding their style and flavor of adventure offerings, but again "why now?" This is supposed to be an intro to the new system and a grand reboot of the Forgotten Realms. New players and old combining to rewrite the lore of D&D. With no monsters. No battles. (that won't land you in jail or worse)
As I said before, I don't post often or at all, (mostly) but this has got me completely vexed. I will run this adventure for the guys, but I have no idea what Wizards is shooting for here. Who are they aiming at?? I just don't get it.
There is one thing for sure, I'll die with my boots on.
Post subject: Re: Murder at Balders Gate- What is Wotc thinking??
Posted: 08-27-2013, 09:30 AM
Boiler Joined: 07-05-2011, 02:53 AM Posts: 332
i have to say i liked the playtest at some point but in the latest iterations i think they made it WORSE! Still they can't decide if they want it to run smoothly or just to pay homage to the past editions... so it kinda stucks in between!
I haven't been playing the playtests or even reading them all that much lately, but it has seemed to me that they've been trying to make a system that will appeal to everyone. And I don't think that's a winning strategy here. There's a reason there are hundreds of RPG systems out there. Folks like different things in their games. Earlier editions of D&D had a good mix of things, for the most part. 4th edition focused heavily upon the combat encounters. Maybe they're swinging back too far the other way to try to win back folks that were turned off by 4th edition. I dunno.
I think that part of it may just be 'See! It's NOT 4e! [b[NOT[/b] All Combat, All the Time!'
4e gave D&D the reputation that all WotC was ever going to do with the game was combat encounters. (Heck - they didn't even listen to their Beta testers when those testers tried to point out problems with the 'skill challenge' system. The result was an errata where the DCs for the skill challenges was dropped by an average of 15 to 20.... on a D20 based system!)
Yes, folks did and do use 4e for other styles - but WotC went out of their way to limit the focus of their own game. (That damned faerie gates quote... and a few others.)
So... they want to be able to show that you can run other things in 5e.
The other thing that they have to fix from 4e is backwards compatibility, that whole 'Nope, sorry, you can't convert your old characters from thatawful 3.X that you knew and loved! 2e is right out! AD&D? Don't make us laugh!' attitude that they had came back and bit them in the never you mind. (It wasn't particularly true, even - they just wanted it so that folks bought all new everything.)
So this time backwards compatibility is what it is all about - and likely the #1 reason that they brought back the PDFs.
Heck, it would not surprise me if part of the point is that folks will be able to use Pathfinder Adventure Paths....
They are acknowledging mistakes that they made in 4e and the way that it was presented - and good on them for that.
That said... I'm afraid that my interest in 5e has already waned - the skill system annoys me, there is still no word on the license, and... well... Pathfinder just keeps getting better.
I don't know if I will ever run Pathfinder Mythic Adventures, but knowing that it is there if I want to... is kind of nice. (There is this idea that I have where the PCs traipse through the faerie gates and interact with the little people.... (Yes, that 4e quote really does bother me that much!))
But... I hope that 5e does well - I want to see the hobby expand, and 4e... hurt the game. And WotC is at the least trying to mend things, putting a plaster on the largest wounds left by 4e.
The Auld Grump
Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit.
[quote="TheAuldGrump"The result was an errata where the DCs for the skill challenges was dropped by an average of 15 to 20.... on a D20 based system!)[/quote] Seriously? I think 15-20% is a closer number (maybe even high for the average). A quick look had 1st-3rd level DCs drop 6-7 and 30th level DCs drop 2-6 points. Most seem to have basically shifted the numbers one step easier.
You give 4e a much harder time than it deserves and so do most people. I have moved away from it, but never experienced the same complaints as other repeatedly bring up. (we just became curious as a group to what other systems are like) Combat being a focus of the rules was nothing new. Social interaction wasn't stopped. I had numerous sessions where there wasn't a single combat and yet those were some of the most memorable.
Combat was faster than 3.x for us, and not just a little. We NEVER had a 3+ hour combat in 4e, while I remember some horrendously long combat being the thing to end ever 3.5 combat we had.
Sorry for the rant, I am just tired of the edition bashing. Each has their strong points and always pointing out the flaws does not end up making more people want to play RPGs in general. I am of the mindset that we need more people in this hobby and not to scare them away.
/rant
As for this adventure, I haven't played the playtest for quite some time (maybe 9-12 months), and therefore have little to offer. While I like the idea of seeing how a system handles non-combat, I feel that a playtest should be focusing on the mechanical portion. I hope that this means they are happy with the mechanics and have moved onto testing noncombat due to it. I hope to hear about how things go for you and others with the playtest.
It would be foolish of me (and my group) to not pay attention to what comes of this. WotC might not be the top seller currently, but they are still major players and have a huge brand that people look to for their fantasy RPGs. That being said, we decided to wait until the system was done since playtesting seems silly with how little we have been getting together lately.
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Really? You NEVER had an awfully long combat in 4e? I only played it for the first year it was out, but we had LOTS of combats that seemed to go on forever. We often commented on how we couldn't figure out why WotC said one of the intents with 4e was "to streamline combat."
I will admit that low level combat was likely longer than in 3.x but our combat lengths were typically about the same at all levels of play (give or take).
I just realized that I wasn't very specific with length (each person might deem a different amount long or short). A half hour combat was typical for us for most combats. Bigger, more dynamic combats did not typically go passed an hour. More than that happened, but was rare.
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Post subject: Re: Murder at Balders Gate- What is Wotc thinking??
Posted: 08-31-2013, 12:26 PM
Boiler Joined: 05-20-2010, 07:12 PM Posts: 243
Our 4e combats were, as a whole, routinely multi-hour endeavors. We adjusted as DM's and injected story into our encounters, which boosted our enjoyment of the system. Roleplay often went on for entire sessions, but when the initiative was rolled, is was never a short ordeal.
Also it just dawned on me, this module is NOT their playtest! The playtest is their playtest. This is possibly an example of how the intend to present their adventure modules. System free. Story heavy with encounters designed by DMs. I could be wrong. Standard dungeon delves will need more combat input.
This series of adventures (Balders/Legacy of Crystal Shard/more?) are intended to influence cannon in the Forgotten Realms reboot. Not to obtain results/feedback for 5e mechanics. With that in mind, they may be less interested in combat and looking more for story outcomes.
I STILL WANTED MONSTERS!
There is one thing for sure, I'll die with my boots on.
Post subject: Re: Murder at Balders Gate- What is Wotc thinking??
Posted: 08-31-2013, 06:07 PM
Boiler Joined: 05-20-2010, 07:12 PM Posts: 243
Clearly Wotc screwed the pooch rolling out 4e, I myself struggled with skill challenges, but with some effort and good advice my group had some great times at the table.
I don't fault anyone for trying and failing. I worry for anyone not trying and never failing.
That doesn't excuse bad behavior. When you (Wotc) offend someone,(as they clearly did) try to own up, apologize, and do better Next time. It appears to me thats what Wotc is trying to do.
I does no good to endlessly bad mouth your ex-wife because, -she is the mother of your children. You be honest about what she can improve and support her so she is the best mother she can be. Telling anyone who will listen how she messed up, spreading ill-will, hoping she chips a tooth and trying to endlessly hurt her, only really hurts the family.
I hope Wotc mends as many bridges as possible. Hopefully the villagers will put away the torches..
AND GIVE ME MONSTERS NEXT TIME!! WTF
There is one thing for sure, I'll die with my boots on.
Post subject: Re: Murder at Balders Gate- What is Wotc thinking??
Posted: 09-01-2013, 06:27 AM
WorldWorks Moderator Joined: 03-01-2007, 10:26 AM Posts: 1975 Location: Chicago, Il
You know this is a play test right? Isn't it possible that they really want feedback on the social/skill portion of the rules set, and they just weren't getting enough with the standard combat heavy adventures they normally put out?
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face-- Harry Dresden
Post subject: Re: Murder at Balders Gate- What is Wotc thinking??
Posted: 09-01-2013, 07:25 AM
Boiler Joined: 05-20-2010, 07:12 PM Posts: 243
It's not a playtest. They provide 3.5 4e and next rules. This is a Sundering module. They are asking for results of the module, not rules feedback. The playtest asks for rules feedback. Two different products.
Quick note; Greenwood said in a recent interview that Next is due out at Gencon 2015.
There is one thing for sure, I'll die with my boots on.
Wow. 2015. Is it just me or are they taking longer to develop this new edition than they did with 4e? I vaguely recall hearing about 4e less than a year before it was released.
Post subject: Re: Murder at Balders Gate- What is Wotc thinking??
Posted: 09-01-2013, 09:34 AM
Boiler Joined: 05-20-2010, 07:12 PM Posts: 243
Wotc is also saying the Sept. playtest will be the last. Assuming it takes 9 months to physically produce the product, that leaves 15 months to write and produce artwork.
After Murder at Balders, the Legacy of the crystal shard adventure is due in Nov. After that no RPG products have been announced.
I am curious what Wotc has in store for 2014.
There is one thing for sure, I'll die with my boots on.
Tactics in combat don't boil down to counting squares and adding up micro effects. Dice rolls give the players narrative options besides 'hit or miss'. Combat is fast, and play is quite dynamic.
It plays on the fly very smoothly. But I have to admit that it suffers from rules light 'itis'. You have to make stuff up on the fly.
There is no defined XP reward for killing things. XP is by the session with bonuses for role playing, and mission completion. There is a huge focus in game on character stories in the form of obligation and motivation.
I've been distilling stories to run the players through by reading Star Wars and Serenity comics.
'The Party' is based somewhere between Star Wars and Serenity. Orion Fel is an Imperial midichlorian experiment, not quite in control of his force powers. We have a human smuggler working as 'face' for the group. A Twilek bounty hunter (Heavy Weapons). A Rodian pacifist medical doctor (he won't shoot first ), and two pit droids, hack and slash. Hack is the mechanic with a venomous pet carnivorous jumping spider. Slash, is a thief, with a serious emphasis on computer slicing.
They all have back stories and motivations which are driving the story line. Their first adventure was freeing Orion Fel from an Imperial prison called 'The Spike'. I was able to run this with very little pre-work, and players had a blast.
Talae, my players (6) have just hit 9th level in Pathfinder running Rapan Athuk. Combats are now 3+ hours, of looking up spells, spell effects, feats, micro effects, and adjudicating what is happening. (Not great with ADHD players I might add.) This is after reading up on and double checking my knowledge of all such materials for a few hours before each session. (Not fun for the GM I might add.)
I'm curious... are there any premade Pathfinder adventures that don't emphasis combat?
Once again, my players remind me that AD&D stands for Attention Deficit & Disorder...
Yeah, my players had to deal with him peacefully at first, but it stuck in their craw that they had to leave him alive, so after the rest of the module was done and they had leveled up, they organized and planned an attack and hired a bunch of thugs to help with all the excess mooks. They dropped the big, bad guy down to 1 HP, but he got away.
I like that CotCT really shows off that large parts of Golarion aren't very black and white or good vs. evil. The fact that the city openly has a temple to Asmodeus and its Acadamae specializes in summoning fiends really makes it into a mixed blessing to have to be the heroes of. My players have said several times, "We aren't the heroes the city wants, but we're the heroes the city deserves."
At the same time, though, I shake my head often at the directions they took at certain points in the story/plotline.
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