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| Author: | joydyhee [ 05-29-2014, 05:03 AM ] |
| Post subject: | WotC OGL |
| Author: | joydyhee [ 05-29-2014, 07:04 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
In conjunction with this article: http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx ... l/20140527 It seems the most likely OGL material will be the free "basic D&D" PDF they put out, along with the free PDF updates they promise to go along with it. |
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| Author: | ScrubKai [ 05-29-2014, 09:45 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
In the end I think that what the license is will matter more then the timeframe. If the license is good for 3rd party publishers then all delaying does is stop the other publishers from eating into the core book sales and let wizards get any product lines set up. (Dragon, dungeon, any module lines, etc.) In my view, giving the owner a 6 month exclusive window for the game they created is NOT in any way unreasonable. It's done all the time in all kind of industries. (That's why we have patent and copyright protection.) Now if the license is NOT good for the 3rd parties, or if the game is too dependent of online tools, any license will fall flat. (See 4e license) |
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| Author: | TheAuldGrump [ 05-29-2014, 02:19 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
Well, that was enough information for me to confirm my decision to skip 5e. (I was 85% there already - the extra 15% was icing on the cake.) I suspect that it will also cement the decisions of 3PP - it will not worth doing D&D material. The time to get publishers the information was before release, not a year later. They will get much more than a year's grace period - they will have the field all to their lonesome. Well done WotC!  Good thing that I like Pathfinder. The Auld Grump |
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| Author: | ScrubKai [ 05-29-2014, 10:11 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
Actually reading this again, it explicitly says fan created content, and never mentions 3rd party publishers. I wonder if there is two different licenses in the works... One for free stuff and one for larger publishers. After all they already invited Kobold Press to play in their sandbox and that's obviously not under this license. |
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| Author: | Ninevah [ 05-30-2014, 09:03 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
This leaves me rather skeptical. It kinda seems like they tried to made a big announcement to say that "sometime this fall" they'll know what they're doing with the OGL, but it won't even be implemented until "sometime next year." That just makes it seem like they're stumbling around. |
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| Author: | joydyhee [ 05-31-2014, 04:50 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
| Author: | Zenguy [ 06-02-2014, 02:51 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
If the OGL was a strategic component of 5e it would be there already. My guess is WotC are either a) holding back announcing the OGL to give 5e itself a chance to get established before the anticipated backlash over the OLG's restrictions, or b) they're trying to keep their options open by waiting to see how 5e sells before finalising the OGL. My bet is on the first option. The only way I think the launch/reception of 5e can possibly inform the OGL is if people like 5e but not enough to give switch back from Pathfinder, and WotC have to resort to a open OGL to keep interest in D&D (and the value of the brand) alive. |
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| Author: | joydyhee [ 06-04-2014, 06:50 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
| Author: | ScrubKai [ 06-04-2014, 10:04 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
| Author: | Ninevah [ 06-04-2014, 10:18 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
But for the publishing industry, don't they have to have their finalized versions of the products submitted to the printers months in advance? And if you're a 3PP, how much would you want to invest in developing adventures or add on books or campaign settings for that system if you don't even know what the license will allow or will require? Back when 3.0 was coming out, they were extremely open with 3PP and had the OGL communicated with them well ahead of the releases of the books. That's how Sword and Sorcery was able to get their bestiary published BEFORE WotC did. Granted, with a staggered release, you really don't want to make that same mistake and allow a 3PP to get a critical book for the game out before YOU do. That's, allegedly, why WotC released the PHB, DMG and MM at the same time for 3.5. Now, maybe they're just trying to avoid making that same mistake and are waiting a bit before releasing the OGL. It doesn't give me that impression, though. |
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| Author: | joydyhee [ 06-06-2014, 05:10 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
| Author: | ScrubKai [ 06-11-2014, 09:53 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
Hmmm. New possible development here. Sounds like WotC is possibly going with a form of enhanced ebooks for all of the 5E releases and not just simple PDFs, and that this is all tied to their digital tools. If that is really true, then there may want all their 3pp to use that format too. That would make delaying the details if the OGL for a while make sense (as they don't want to spill the beans yet on what they are doing digitally) but also makes me worry they are going to try to do some sort of apple App Store like process where they approve all new 3party products. Particularly with their "ensure quality" comment in the original article. Hmmmm. Open license to sell on their store but you have to give them a 5% cut and they get approval rights. That sounds very possible to me. |
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| Author: | punkrabbitt [ 06-11-2014, 10:56 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
And that just totally killed 5E for me right there. The need to log on and use a website to play the game, even if just in the prep stages, really turns me off. It's what killed 4E for me. |
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| Author: | joydyhee [ 06-11-2014, 11:47 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
| Author: | ScrubKai [ 06-12-2014, 08:02 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
| Author: | oldschooldm [ 06-12-2014, 09:36 PM ] |
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| Author: | punkrabbitt [ 06-13-2014, 06:36 AM ] |
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| Author: | punkrabbitt [ 06-13-2014, 06:39 AM ] |
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BTW, I thought the 3.0 OGL was the best thing that happened to the game since 1st edition AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide (Players Handbook and Monster Manual were already in print when I started playing.) |
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| Author: | TheAuldGrump [ 06-21-2014, 06:46 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
On a related but tangential note... WotC outsourced the writing of the first adventures for the new game - Kobold Press is writing The Tyranny of Dragons for them.... I suppose outsourcing might help with the problem that WotC adventures are generally just not that good. The Auld Grump |
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| Author: | ScrubKai [ 06-21-2014, 09:08 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
| Author: | Zenguy [ 07-07-2014, 12:28 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
| Author: | joydyhee [ 07-07-2014, 12:38 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
| Author: | Zenguy [ 07-07-2014, 12:52 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
Froggod Games' free adventure " for DnD 5e cites the Open Game License Version 1.0a Copyright Wizards of the Coast Inc. 2000. Although there's no mention in the Froggod Games adventure of a newer OGL, the lack of information about an OGL for 5e and the comment in the Necromancer Games Kickstarter make it clear WotC are making changes if not coming up with a new OGL. As for the return of Necromancer games to publishing D&D add-ons, I'm wary of reading too much into that just yet. Necromancer games are large enough that they can accommodate things like revenue sharing with WotC if that's what the 5e license demands. The major test of the 5e license (and potentially of 5e itself) will be whether or not it allows low budget start-ups to create and sell 5e add-ons. If it doesn't, then I doubt 5e could ever catch up to the wealth of creative content that is available right now for Pathfinder/D&D 3. |
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| Author: | joydyhee [ 07-09-2014, 06:43 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WotC OGL |
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