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| Author: | TheAuldGrump [ 05-24-2015, 11:24 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
I had a weird idea, and one that I don't think has much of a chance, but... would it be possible for some of the more creative TLX modders to get permission from Denny & Co. to create a paid kit, funded through Kickstarter - both to reward those modders and to get some momentum back? The Auld Grump |
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| Author: | mproteau [ 05-24-2015, 11:54 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
You don't need a kickstarter to make a TLX set. I talked to Denny's wife about trying to help out more around here, and they just don't feel they have the time to give even minimal thought to it. They were open to the idea of me buying him out of the place, but I couldn't believe the valuation was correct, and they weren't able to transfer ANY knowledge or responsibility. I would be willing to perhaps license the TLX brand for a reasonable fee, but I'd rather not shell out a lot of $$$ for that, since I wouldn't be able to sell through the WWG store. There isn't anyone available to do all that administrative junk. I would be happy selling though OBS (I've got a company all ready to go!) but that's another slice of the pie gone, so license fees on top of that may just make it not worth it. I am pretty sure I could have a small set or three done over the remaining half of the year. But, If think it would take a massive write-in campaign to get that ball rolling. If you all can organize such a thing, more power to you. In the mean time, I'm slowly experimenting with build systems trying to achieve TLX flexibility for building multi-level structures without totally copying TLX. If anyone has good ideas for how to assemble such a thing and would like to share, PM me and I'll work through it with you! |
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| Author: | TheAuldGrump [ 05-24-2015, 01:19 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
| Author: | joydyhee [ 05-27-2015, 03:55 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
| Author: | sdavies2720 [ 05-27-2015, 05:41 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
What I like about this idea: It has a clear and compelling reason to do a kickstarter -- to get enough to buy/license TLX. It might be enough to get people who believe in that mission to give larger amounts. That would be in addition to everyone else who's looking for a good deal. And I like the idea that this could get these models up and running again, done in a Denny & WWG-approved fashion. What I don't like is it depends on Denny focusing on it long enough to bless it and sign the papers. I just don't believe that's going to happen. |
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| Author: | joydyhee [ 05-27-2015, 06:04 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
| Author: | Magius [ 05-27-2015, 11:30 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
While I wouldn't be interested in taking part of the acquisition and creation of new material, I would love to take part in a Kickstarter for someone to take the helm and be able to make new strides with the various available systems. I've played with converting files over to a TerraClips friendly format, and some variant geometries to allow for more realistic hills using the TLX system, and there's a lot that can be done with the system that really hasn't been explored yet. So, if something like this comes about, I'm certainly in (and would be quite interested in trying to bring in a few others as well). |
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| Author: | Zenguy [ 05-27-2015, 12:35 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
| Author: | joydyhee [ 05-28-2015, 04:52 AM ] |
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| Author: | sdavies2720 [ 05-28-2015, 05:34 AM ] |
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| Author: | joydyhee [ 05-28-2015, 05:43 AM ] |
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| Author: | mproteau [ 05-28-2015, 06:23 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
For fun, here's a challenge for you: PM me, or let's chat on Steam (I'm mproteau), with a quick estimate of what you think the place would be worth, and why. It doesn't seem like the kind of thing to throw around on the forums, but if anyone is serious about throwing some coin at the place, or banding together to do such a thing, let's chat! Consider roughly what would be up for sale - the website, the forum, he percentage of the catalog that belongs to Denny, the company name and the names of the brands the company produces. Also, consider what some of the expenses may be, and also scratch your head a little as to whether there are any messy loose ends that are lingering about (like, with Wyrd? what does Denny own with respect to TCP, and what doesn't he control?) |
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| Author: | T-G [ 05-28-2015, 07:08 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
With the success of Battle Systems () card terrain on kickstarter, is there much of a market for TLX anymore? Since I got my package from the scifi kickstarter I haven't looked twice at all my Titan stuff. The BS stuff goes together so much easier. Admittedly I loose a bit of flexibility, but I make up for that in set up speed. Now if the terraclips thing was going to be revived, I think that could open a vast market. But that's just my 2 cents. |
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| Author: | Nunspa [ 05-28-2015, 09:38 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
| Author: | TheAuldGrump [ 05-28-2015, 10:50 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
| Author: | sdavies2720 [ 05-31-2015, 09:19 AM ] |
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| Author: | TheAuldGrump [ 05-31-2015, 09:25 AM ] |
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| Author: | Nunspa [ 06-02-2015, 06:50 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
I have played around with them quite a bit, the clips are not all that fragile... I believe they can be made thiner (not the plastic, talking width of the clip it self) and keep its functionality. to be honest a mix of TLX for floors and clips on the vertical & second floors would be ideal. but if someone wanted to put together a TLX style set, per-built peaces, I think I would jump in. if anyone is serious about it, I would like to lend a hand. (I'm a business owner (engineering company) & a partner in paradigm concepts) and I'm handy with graphic design and product layout (again, with paradigm concepts) |
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| Author: | Magius [ 06-02-2015, 03:34 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
Personally, what I'd be most interested in is a way to bridge TLX and Terraclips - perhaps using something along the lines of Fat Dragon Games' Anchor system - or even just a series of product templated to be pasted onto Matteboard and cut out (which is what I did for my TCP conversions - and it worked really well). The problem with those, of course, is anything that involves holes, windows, or (to a much lesser degree) doors becomes quite painstaking to cut out... But, if we had some way to anchor the TLX posts to the TCP boards, we'd have a mighty fine set of products there. |
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| Author: | Nunspa [ 06-03-2015, 05:50 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
with some of the options online unless the kickstarter had pre-cut (die cut) items I think I would give it a pass.. I picked up several WWG sets but, sadly, I just don't have the time (or apparently steady hand) to cut it all. but pre-cut sheets and boards.... take my money |
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| Author: | Jaynz [ 06-08-2015, 02:17 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
Pro, to get back to your question. I'm not afraid to go public. At this point, with an online distributed product-line two years in abandonment, a continued, 'fan base' of less than 20 people, and a now decidedly poor reputation, the company itself isn't really worth.. anything, really. As for the IP, that's a little more iffy. Terraclips and everything attached with that can't be sold anyway, so that's zero value. The Terralinx system cannot be patented, so the /system/ is of zero value. The sets, though, are were the value is. And, yes, they are of course really nice. The question is how much are they selling for, combined, over a sustained period. I submit that the 'buyout worth' of the company is the equivalent of no more than the last two years of sales from their catalog. Considering that Denny is on record as saying that this site doesn't pay for a single salary, and let's assume a modest income of $30K a year... for absolutely everything, MAYBE $60K for the entire company and all its assets. And that's the upper end guesswork. Great hobby income, horrible corporate income. Probably not that hard to see why the big bids aren't coming in. |
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| Author: | Nunspa [ 06-09-2015, 08:53 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
I'll just say this I'll throw money at a new TLX system... as long as I can get some pre-cut base boards as part of the deal. |
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| Author: | sdavies2720 [ 06-09-2015, 09:48 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
| Author: | mproteau [ 06-09-2015, 11:01 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
| Author: | joydyhee [ 06-09-2015, 11:11 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
| Author: | Akmor [ 06-09-2015, 12:56 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
About two years ago, when Denny was trying to sell the site, he sent a mail to, I believe, all staff to ask for an agreement to sell their right for an amount proportional to the previous year sell (or something in that idea), so that he could sell the site with all catalogue (so without having to force a buyer to buy the designers). So I believe it could be an option to buy all the current products rights (except Terraclips, of course). |
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| Author: | sdavies2720 [ 06-11-2015, 07:06 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
You'd be a fool to buy without seeing numbers & enough supporting detail that you are confident the numbers are right & real. Running a business is hard enough, you don't need the extra challenge of not knowing what you bought! Steve |
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| Author: | joydyhee [ 06-12-2015, 04:46 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Silly TLX Kickstarter Idea |
| Author: | mproteau [ 06-12-2015, 05:02 AM ] |
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| Author: | Jaynz [ 06-12-2015, 12:17 PM ] |
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