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Pathfinder is simpler than 3.5, at high levels at least, just not by all that much.
Some things have been contracted into a single roll (most combat actions), save or die spells removed or modified, etc..
I will agree however that if you did not like 3.X then you will not like Pathfinder.
I felt that Micro went more than a trifle too far in the opposite direction, but then I have no problem with rules heavy games* - the old Vampire: the Masquerade was about as close to a rules lite system as I would care to go.
True20 is a reasonable compromise between the two extremes, and conversion is, if not a snap, at least easy enough to fake on the fly. And like Pathfinder the PDF is only $10 - cheap enough to at least take a look at.
The Auld Grump
* For example I am now running Spycraft, and am considering Fantasycraft - each coming in at 400+ pages....
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Dirigible Joined: 10-17-2007, 07:46 AM Posts: 1201
Lord_Abbadon: Umm.. Welcome to the world of corporate gaming?
All companies that are doing well are gouging in some way. What WOTC has actually done is turn the whole paradigm on its side. They figure they want to start with a system which they can sell add ons for. Hence, all the add ons are really plug ins to the standard rule set. Even the minis. (I only bought the war game minis for D&D.) I don't know anyone who's bought the stupid cards. Get the character generator to do it.
What you need to do is figure out what you need to have fun with the campaign you want. Want forgotten realms? Need a half orc? The basic rule set works fine. What you really need to do is think up a campaign you want.
The bulk of the add ons are for characters, and frankly you don't need any of it. Just get the insider subscription for $70 per anum, and you'll get everything.
This is nothing new... I sold all my Role Master to the LGS to help cover for my AT-43 habit. There were tons of books. The difference is that Role Master kept introducing more and more rules and skills until the whole system became unwieldly to the players. Role Master had a lot of qualities I still like today. Concusion damage versus critical damage.. different types of criticals.. All fun and games till you pop your groin (twice) while fighting a dragon.
4e is designed to play fast, giving the game master more time to prepare, and deal with the players. This equals more fun. (The RPGA played in the stores sucks... I'd probably prefer it with beer, preferably without the D&D.)
Once again, my players remind me that AD&D stands for Attention Deficit & Disorder...
Heh - I have run across people complaining about Paizo's release schedule for the Pathfinder RPG. The first rules supplement is planned to come out for next Gen Con.
The Auld Grump
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I read this exchange with great interest. I'm a member of "The Greybeard Society" too and still have my Brownbox set.
I played AD&D 1E a lot, right up to 2nd Edition and stopped there. I briefly looked at 3.x but did not have the time to invest.
Now, I'm looking at getting back into the game and am faced with the 3.5-4.0 decision. Pathfinder has been mentioned and I see that WWG is producing terrain for the system -not a bad thing to find out!
It looks like I've got my work set out for me to decide where to put my
attention.
Thanks CitizenBen for the comparison. I'll look into Pathfinder a little deeper.
While its been a while since I run campaigns, I admire attention to detail and it seems like the Paizo folks have put a fair amount of Love (for lack of a better word) into their system.
I have been running a Pathfinder game for the better part of a year now - it is very much D&D 3.75. I am liking it a good deal - it took a while for the players to get a hold of the combat maneuvers, but now that they have I typically see between three and four things attempted, and a nice mix up of them, at that.
Skills have been simplified - class skills getting a bonus, rather than being less expensive to buy, and once a class skill, always a class skill, making multiclassing fairly palatable.
That said, sticking with a base class is now worthwhile - base classes are on a par with prestige classes, though prestige classes are more focused. So folks are less likely to jump ship from, oh, sorcerer, as a not very random example, to grab the first prestige class that they qualify for.
And, compared to 3.X the sorcerers rock! Bloodline actually means something! Even if you still run 3.X I would recommend getting the free Beta version of Pathfinder, just so you can steal the sorcerer. It can also be found for free on the SRD for Pathfinder.
Barbarian also becomes a good deal more versatile - the barbarian in my Saturday game does a lot more than rage and attack things. Rage has been diversified, becoming less predictable, the PC choosing between options.
For clerics... turning has been changed, a lot. Now turning does damage to undead, and heals living creatures at the same time, in a radius measured from the cleric. The intent is to allow clerics to use their spells for things other than healing.
I am still not sure if I like the new system for turning/healing, but my players think that it is a huge improvement. They really like it. Part of my ambivalence is the enjoyment that they get when they see undead - knowing that the cleric will be doing two things at once, with each turning. (The 'we got paid twice!' syndrome. )
Encounters seem more balanced, but then I use the system from Trailblazer, so your mileage may vary. The bestiary, available separately, is also quite nice, and dragons have become downright scary - able to use their breath weapon in new and interesting ways,
The Auld Grump
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COG Joined: 11-11-2008, 06:39 PM Posts: 80 Location: Australia
I've played all of the editions (except 2nd - but I have the books), and still nothing comes to the 'feel right' that Pathfinder seems to get.
Also I am terrible at making adventures and I rather like Paizo's large amount of content, they seem to know what gamers want.
In Pathfinder I have noticed that there seems to be a lot more fun in playing the core classes, where as in 3.5 Prestige classes seemed to run the game. In Pathfinder (as grump said) they seem to give a focused theme.
EDIT: And my girlfriend likes how they revamped Smite Evil. Her missing on the critical roll used to be a constant source of laughter
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Dirigible Joined: 03-08-2005, 03:32 AM Posts: 1383 Location: Spain
I've no experience in pathfinder and wasn't able to get into 3/3.5/4 ... even a bought a lot of modules and adventures of all the versions as I belive they are quite good... But since we try Sw (first for a miniature game of West then for the Evernight campaign) as been adopted by all my group to master... I'm now into Rippers but all the fantasy games loose one-day have been savage also (and a Forgotten Realm campaing)... so I'm into Sw (understand why is not for everyone but for us it's enought)... the only game that we haven't tried in Sw is chtulu also - the old 4th edition system and lately 2 adventures with the Trial of chthulu ... and it's "original"...
So my vote goes to Sw but I've to say that pathfinder campaigns will get someday savaged as they look quite good ! my humble 2 cents !
Un castillo de papel ? ... venga chicos esconded el ariete y sacad las tijeras...!!
A paper Castle ?...Ok boys...bring back the ram and take all of you a scisor...
And then there are the folks who really, really do not like SW - even after running games with it.
Sorry, but it is way overly simplified, and for those who want more meat on their RPG bones is not much fun at all, being more than a little bland. There was no flavor to the darned thing.
While I have met folks who liked it, I have met others that felt that it just felt 'samey' - that it didn't matter what your abilities were, or how you did things, it all felt the same. (Though I have not met all that many who have any experience with it at all - fewer than those that I have met who played 7th Sea or Rifts. So my data pool is tiny - maybe half a dozen, pretty much evenly split between like and dislike, I think more disliked it, but that could be my personal prejudice. In any event, too small a pool to mean much of anything, pro or con.)
I actually preferred the old system that Pinnacle/Great White used for Deadlands - quirky, counter intuitive in some ways, well laden with impedimentia, but plenty of flavor, and a mad science system that was a lot of fun, not the exact same thing as every other magic item, with none of the ability to 'make enough for everybody', let alone run out to the catalog store and outfit the team just by dropping a wheelbarrow full o' money. (In honesty, it was the handwaving of the weird science that made me decide that True20 would actually be better for running Deadlands than their own system.)
*EDIT* Sorry, that sounded crankier than intended - my dissatisfaction is real, but at the core it comes down to a deep and abiding dislike of 'rules lite' RPGs. If you like rules light games then the odds are good that you will like SW. If you don't then you will want to beat the writes into submission with a collector's edition of the original Deadlands. The stains will add character....
The Auld Grump
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