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(Continuous Ink System)
Post subject: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 09-21-2011, 12:11 PM
Gear Head Joined: 03-16-2009, 12:45 PM Posts: 786
I have an Epson Workforce 630 that I've only had 6 months & I'm already tired of buying new ink cartridges. So I'm thinking about getting a CIS for it. It looks like there are a bunch of vendors online.
Does anyone have a recommended vendor, or have experience with:
* InkProducts.com
* InkContinuous.com
* PrintersInkandMore.com
??? I don't see any way to choose between what appear to be different systems and vendors, other than price.
Piston Joined: 07-30-2004, 08:41 AM Posts: 449 Location: USA
I have tried three different online vendors for refillable cartridges, not CIS. Only one, InkProducts.com, has provided cartridges that actually fooled the printer and worked; and provided ink that seemed to be close to OEM ink as advertised. The Canon cartridges needed an additional chip resetter that works like a charm to reset the chips on the ink cartridges (so far anyway).
That is my personal experience with online vendors of non-OEM ink supplies for my printer. It has been my experience that things work differently for different people. Some swear by a vendor or product and the vendor or product does not work for me. I swear by a vendor or product and the vendor or product does not work for someone else. All I can say is that spending around $200 USD on the other two vendors for products that did not work I finally found a vendor that suppied ink products that do work.
I know this post is kind of old, but I've got some relevant experience if you're still interested. I bought a CISS (for my artisan 725) from inkproducts.com back in March and refill bottles in July. So far the experience has been 100% positive. Cost effective and gives print quality that's extremely close (I've yet to find someone that can see the difference), if not identical, to what I got with the OEM ink. Directions were relatively clear (I had no issues during installation), it has a reset button to trick the printer into recognizing the cartridges, and came packaged with a solution to clean the print head (although I seem to recall reading that their ink won't clog the print head, so it might be superfluous).
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 11-04-2011, 02:12 PM
Dirigible Joined: 12-06-2010, 07:16 AM Posts: 1487 Location: Massachusetts
Thanks for the information. I've been holding off on any more building until the new year, which is about when I'll finally come up for air and have enough time to install a continuous ink system. I'll give these guys a try!
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 11-05-2011, 10:10 AM
Gear Head Joined: 03-16-2009, 12:45 PM Posts: 786
Thanks for posting. I went ahead and ordered a system from InkProducts. Physical installation was simple. I had to do a reset to get everything working (it was a little unclear from the instructions whether this was needed) and it's been flawless since.
The kit came with the print head-reservoir system, which was filled. Plus tie-downs and a set of syringes. I'm waiting until my ink starts running down before ordering ink -- so I know what sizes to get of various colors.
I was nervous going in, but I'm now sold. The initial installation cost a little more than the full set of replacement cartridges, but everything should be cheap from here on out.
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 11-05-2011, 10:36 AM
Piston Joined: 07-30-2004, 08:41 AM Posts: 449 Location: USA
I have found the service quick when reordering ink from Inkproducts.com. I have also talked with one of the people on the phone. Friendly, helpful, professional.
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 01-10-2012, 11:33 AM
Gear Head Joined: 03-16-2009, 12:45 PM Posts: 786
Necroposting to keep this in one place:
I installed my InkProducts CISS in September when I bought it, and everything worked fine. In the last month or so it's requiring daily resets: The printer reports that it cannot recognize one or more cartridges and asks me to replace them.
The good news is the reset button on the InkProducts CISS works just fine, and once I've reset the system, everything works again -- I just have the annoyance of delayed printing.
The bad news is each reset recharges the ink heads, which takes a couple of minutes and leads to excessive ink use and smeared pages for a little while.
The mixed news is Tom at InkProducts is not being particularly helpful via email: slow or no responses and short answers of limited help (I can't help without the order number, it's the printer's firmware not the ciss). We're still going back and forth, and I'll let you know the outcome. I first contacted them in early December about this, and I'm still trying to understand if a better solution is possible.
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 01-22-2012, 06:24 PM
Dirigible Joined: 12-06-2010, 07:16 AM Posts: 1487 Location: Massachusetts
Any update on your issues with your system? I fear I'm about to have to start diagnosing some issues, and I haven't yet approached the inkproducts.com guys.
Amazon seems to carry at least one CIS for my printer. I am thinking it might be a good idea once I use up my cartridges. This thread might help me determine that.
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Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 02-28-2012, 06:41 PM
Dirigible Joined: 12-06-2010, 07:16 AM Posts: 1487 Location: Massachusetts
Here's my saga with CIS so far. Sorry if this is a case of "too-long-didn't-read":
My parents wanted to know what I wanted for last Christmas, and I asked them to buy a CIS from inkproducts.com. I was thrilled with how easy it was to install, despite my ability to make several mistakes. I ran into a problem a little over a month ago that I've been struggling to work out - my printouts started to look very yellow. I managed to batch up a HUGE Hinterland Cliffs print job without noticing. In the end, the printouts were really undesirable. I did a color test pattern print, and it looked like the cyan was messed up. I ran the print head cleaning and deep cleaning a LOT, and nothing helped.
I didn't want to go back to Canon and explain what had happened, so I opted to try to clean the print head myself, following some youtube videos. I guess the best I can say is that I seemed to "do no harm" but the problem remained. I contacted Canon and described the results of the print test, and they immediately send me a new print head (the printer was well under warranty). The test pattern looked great, so yay! Problem solved, right? Well, before I get into what happened next, let me say I made the situation financially worse. Since the printer started printing well, but I had gone through a lot of ink getting to that point, I figured I'd order more ink. One complete set of ink is like $40, which is a bargain, but it's a BETTER bargain if I order two sets and save on shipping, right? So, $80 of ink on the way!
The ink arrived in a timely fashion. Cracked open the box. Pulled out one zip-lock bag with 5 bottles of ink in it. Dug under the packing peanuts, and pulled out a second zip-lock bag. This one was SOAKED in blue ink. I didn't open it. I figured I better email the company right away and see what they'd do. Wouldn't you know it, it was 6:30 on a Thursday night, and their website says support runs Mon - Thu 'til 5pm.
Friday morning, I got an email from them. It was a little cryptic. It was just a USPS tracking number. I didn't know what they were sending me - just the bottle of cyan? A whole new order? A box with an RMA number so I could send it back?
I don't think I did a real big print job until two days later, and the printing problem returned. Now, I'm thinking to myself "great - the ink is probably clogging this thing, and it's gonna cost me to replace the print head this time! Oh! And I've got $80 of ink for this thing coming. Great."
I was planning on contacting the company again to talk about the clogging print head problem, when I got another email. It cryptically said "Hello. Please call customer support" and gave me a phone number. I called right away, and they seemed surprised I was calling. That said, they were really nice, and explained that they had sent a full replacement for the ink. While I had them, I mentioned that I had the print head problem. They promised a tech would call me later to work things out. I don't know if they have multiple techs or not - the guy I talked to sounds like the same guy that does the inkproduct.com YouTube videos. He was super helpful. I described what I was experiencing, and he assured me it WASN'T the print head. He figured either an ink cart had run empty, or there was a clogged tube. He gave me instructions on how to try to fix each possibility.
When I got home, I pulled out the carts, and sure enough, several carts had less ink in them than he said was normal. I used the tools provided with the system to draw ink into the carts (no mess!) and my printouts are back to looking good. I'm still not sure what caused the ink carts to run so low, and I'm hoping an email exchange with them will clear things up, but I know now what to do if it happens again.
I'll say this - I was nervous about doing business with them. They don't have a super polished website, and I had no idea if my money was going into a black hole. I got my replacement ink today - not just the cyan that leaked, but a complete set at no extra charge. They seemed honestly interested in finding out what was wrong with my system. Honestly, they seem to fit in nicely with the rest of my papercrafting hobby - a small business that seems willing to do right by their customers.
I still feel like my CIS system could break at any moment -- I really need to be able to get through a ton of printing without issues. But, I'm more optimistic now than before. I *really* hope it lasts long enough to use up my nearly $120 worth of ink now... I have so many TLX sets to make!
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 02-29-2012, 05:13 AM
Piston Joined: 12-08-2009, 09:04 AM Posts: 424
I recently bought a set of refillable cartridges from Precision Colors for my Artisan 710. They use Image Specialists ink, which is a highly regarded third party ink. I did the install of the new carts earlier this week and so far it's been smooth sailing. I powered my printer down, pulled the old carts out, installed the new carts, and powered the printer back on. It didn't miss a beat.
I paid a little over $50 for a set of pre-filled carts and six 4-ounce bottles of ink. As far as I can tell, it is a damn good match for Epson OEM ink.
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 02-29-2012, 08:47 AM
Piston Joined: 12-08-2009, 09:04 AM Posts: 424
They use a custom made third party cartridge with an auto-reset chip that resets itself automatically when you take the cart out of the printer to fill.
Talae, I'll for sure keep you updated -- I figured you'd want to know!
Sorry to hear people are having issues with inkproducts stuff, seems I may have gotten lucky. As of last week I've cleared 3000 pages printed with mine and no real issues.
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 04-19-2012, 06:44 AM
Dirigible Joined: 12-06-2010, 07:16 AM Posts: 1487 Location: Massachusetts
A little update on my CIS - It's been a couple months since I had my issue with having to 'purge' the ink carts. Since then, I've done some heavy printing and haven't had any new issues. I even had to fill some of the external ink tanks and that was a piece of cake. The issue I ran into may very well have stemmed from an early mistake I made installing the carts which probably let more air into the system than I should have. I'm (at least for now) really glad I installed this thing.
For anyone tempted to install a CIS, here's my words of wisdom.
1) Follow the instructions. There aren't many steps, and it's all easy stuff. Just do what it says. I left my common sense at the door, and while trying to be diligent, I reversed two steps that in retrospect was a really dumb thing to even think of doing. The ink tanks have rubber plugs that need to remain CLOSED when you're handling the ink carts. It keeps air pressure from pushing ink through the carts. Once the carts are installed you have to remove the plugs to OPEN the tanks and let air push the ink through the carts. I managed to do the steps backwards, and so I had ink flowing like crazy while trying to install the ink carts. Duh. What a mess! Then, I closed the tanks and did my printing. Duh! This is where my ink carts likely ran out of ink. Even after opening the tanks up to let ink flow, the damage had been done. Using the purge tool provided fixed this up nicely.
2) Keep the ink tanks level with the printer. Don't go lifting the tanks or lowering the printer while the plugs are open. This will either force ink into the printer or possibly let air get into the lines.
3) Even though the syringes provided say clearly "discard after use", don't discard them. The ink can be cleaned out and the tools can be reused. This is true of the purge tool and the refill syringes.
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 08-14-2012, 05:30 AM
Dirigible Joined: 12-06-2010, 07:16 AM Posts: 1487 Location: Massachusetts
Another CIS update, in case people out there are interested in learning about what happens with these systems long-term. I've been loving my CIS system - I've got a LOT of ink for a little money, and I've been printing a TON.
Just recently, the printer reported that the yellow ink cart was empty. No problem, I just have to open the printer, close the printer, and the chip resets... usually. This time, the chip didn't reset. The folks that sold the system have been very responsive to the few issues I've had, and I got ahold of someone right away on the phone (I think it's just one guy, honestly).
Apparently, the technology in the chips isn't fool-proof, and sometimes the printer flags the chips as invalid. My options are either to (a) buy a new system, (b) buy a replacement chip and install it myself, or (c) remove a Canon chip from an old ink cart, install it on the CIS cart, then disable the ink monitoring system altogether on the printer.
I kinda wish I had known this a year ago. It seems to me a better solution to disable the ink monitoring system anyway - it just gets in the way of printing, since the printer doesn't really know how much ink is available.
Well, I have a full set of old canon carts lying around, and they're emailing me a link to a video that shows how to remove the canon chips and install them on the CIS carts. Fingers crossed!
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 08-14-2012, 12:59 PM
Gear Head Joined: 03-16-2009, 12:45 PM Posts: 786
Thanks for the update. I've gone with refillable cartridges and I hit a similar problem with them: The magenta no longer reported as valid. I had another cartridge, so I just replaced it, figuring that I'd call them when I got a chance.
After using the alternate cartridge for a while, I decided to try the old one again (the one that was reported as invalid). It worked just fine!
So...you might try running the printer for a few days with cartridges instead of the CIS. If my experience is any guide, that might make the printer recognize your CIS again.
If you go ahead with the chip swap, please report back how it goes.
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 08-15-2012, 04:47 PM
Dirigible Joined: 12-06-2010, 07:16 AM Posts: 1487 Location: Massachusetts
Ok. Here's how it went...
I was told I should replace the CIS cart chip with a real Canon chip, and I had some old carts lying around. I was told those would be perfect. So, that's what I did. It took only a couple of seconds to remove the old chips, and it took a bit of fiddling to get the chip seated in place.
The instructional video showed using some craft glue spots that I couldn't find anywhere near me, and I needed to get my printer working again fast (and, I was hoping not to buy Canon ink!) I found some Scotch "Removable Clear Mounting Squares" that I cut into teeny squares. Frustrating things to work with, but I managed. Talk about fat fingering things. I think what the guy in the video was using was much thinner than what I had, so that made it harder to get the chip in place.
Anyway, after I got the chip in place, I had to draw some ink back into the carts. The most persistently frustrating thing about the system is that the carts are separate, but tethered together at the top by the ink tubes. They flop around and generally make me feel like I'm fighting an octopus whenever I have to work with them.
So, with the chip replaced, I popped the carts back in. It still reports that the ink cart is empty, but I did a little magic button pressing that apparently turns off the ink monitoring system, and I was able to get a nice printout done.
This particular issue really makes me annoyed with the system. The guy who supports/develops this CIS system is really friendly and helpful, but I really wasn't informed enough about the things that can/will go wrong, and what would be expected of me. I thought it was a hook-it-up-and-forget-about-it system, but instead it requires a bit of fiddling now and again, and replacing chips on carts is way more than I bargained for!
At least I'm back to printing, which means (once I'm back from vacation next week) I can resume TLX Castle building. I have a LOT of spare ink for this system, so I really am motivated to keep the CIS working for another year or two at least!
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 08-16-2012, 07:58 AM
Gear Head Joined: 03-16-2009, 12:45 PM Posts: 786
Thanks for the update.
When I had the CIS (before returning it) and with the refillable cartridges, I'm cleaning heads much more often than I did when I just bought cartridges (even generic/refilled ones).
I can't understand why that is, unless the ink is lower quality. But with new cartridges I never (or really, really, rarely) had to clean heads. With refillable cartridges I have to clean heads about once every week or so. With the CIS I had to do it every couple of hours (which is why I returned it).
So yeah, there are some realities that somehow get glossed over in the marketing pitch.
Post subject: Re: Recommend Vendor for CIS (Continuous Ink System)
Posted: 08-16-2012, 08:01 AM
Piston Joined: 12-08-2009, 09:04 AM Posts: 424
I've been using refillable carts for several months now, and just had to do my first head cleaning this weekend. I think the quality of the ink has a lot to do with it. I'm using http://www.image-specialists.com ink, which came very highly reviewed over on the DPReview forums.
Still going strong here 5ish months since my previous update. I've noticed that if I leave the little rubber stoppers open for extended periods of time I get print quality similar to what I've seen when I'm low/out of ink. Solved by adding fresh ink or running the head cleaning program several times. However, the last several months have been relatively low volume due to other projects getting in the way so the problem may just not be manifesting in the small amount that I've been printing. I'm starting a large Titan build in the next few weeks, so I'll find out if ramping up volume causes that or something else to surface.
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