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in file /includes/functions_reimg.php on line 126: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() WorldWorksGames • View topic - Update on the WotC vs. Prirates Saga
COG Joined: 02-25-2009, 07:42 AM Posts: 57 Location: Louisville, KY
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Unfortunately I can't really talk about the specifics right now. Let me just say that it will move us into a "pick & choose" zone but it will do so without completely abandoning traditional package options. Its a bit hard to describe as its not a completely transparent "pick and choose" scenario (won't make sense until you see what we're doing). At any rate, its a situation that gives both customers and designers the ultimate level of choice and flexibility.
COG Joined: 03-14-2005, 05:09 AM Posts: 111 Location: North Ferriby, E Yorks, UK
It's a Minions' market these days!
FWIW I like the big sets as they currently are. I may not need everything in them immediately but I usually find a use for most items eventually. It is comforting to know they are sitting on my hard drive for the day when I do need them and have the time to build them.
Just felt like updating this thread because of WotC bringing back the PDFs... it only took them four years....
I really think that they were more concerned with PDFs keeping the older editions alive than they were about piracy... and with 5e being aimed at being cross edition compatible, suddenly the PDFs have a value added quality.
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Post subject: Re: Update on the WotC vs. Prirates Saga
Posted: 03-31-2013, 04:35 AM
Boiler Joined: 04-28-2010, 02:54 PM Posts: 276
Over time, I think it'll help them out as new customers look at 5e and are curious about what came before, or old school gamers who don't jump on Hackmaster 4e want to pick up what their missing/replace what they've lost/broken from editions past. However, I do think that the way that WotC handled the removal of the PDFs left a very sour taste in a lot of gamers' mouths, which will take a long time for them to recover from, and then only if WotC manages to make the right moves. However, between putting the PDFs back up for sale and taking a much more open approach to advertising 5e, I think they are taking some of the right steps.
And they are actually embracing the older levels now with premium editions of 1st ed, 2nd ed and original ed. I picked up the 1st ed stuff, but I dont know about the 2nd ed. I probably will in the long run though for my collection's sake. Same stuff inside the covers, but my old editions were pretty ratty, so thats ok.
I dont know what it is, I just cant seem to let myself hate the game I cut my roleplaying teeth on, even if I haven't played for awhile. Then again I havent played 4th ed, so I cant speak to what is wrong or right in that edition, but I never really liked 3 or 3.5 either. I just really dislike the management which isn't the same thing.
I think what kept me interested over the years was the different novel series, but what the heck were they thinking with the spell plague? After them stopping the pdf's and then the spell plague, my interest completely bottomed out, and I find myself struggling to play any D&D edition now. That is sad, as I really want to play, but just can't seem to make myself care enough to pick up a module or rulebook and devote the time needed to make it a great time for my players. Does anyone have any suggestions for maybe accomplishing that? Maybe a super cool story line or something? There will always be some love in my heart for my 1 ed characters, and I always try to pass that kind of early gaming career enthusiasm on to my players, but its getting harder, because I guess I'm getting more cynical as I age, which sucks, because I really dislike cynics. Any game suggestions would be cool, but I didn't play 3.5 much so maybe not Pathfinder unless there is something in it that is super wonderful, that was missing from 3.5.
In a hole there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort...
Post subject: Re: Update on the WotC vs. Prirates Saga
Posted: 04-01-2013, 01:13 PM
Boiler Joined: 04-28-2010, 02:54 PM Posts: 276
There was a definite shift in tone from AD&D 2e to 3rd edition (and not just in terms of system crunchiness). 2e and previous focused more on making a magical world for players to explore - and quite often die - in, and the system was set up in such a way as to encourage GMs, either intentionally or unintentionally, to kill their players (most notable being the lack of any real guide as to what make for a balanced encounter). Balance was also mostly lacking, which meant that characters could have vastly different power levels, but that didn't matter as much since you really had to work together to overcome the challenges the world set you. Characters weren't necessarily heroes, but they were the ones who had the potential to be.
In 3rd edition, that changed to a tighter focus on the characters. The Monster Manual focused more on how the creatures would behave in combat than where they were likely to be found and/or act, and the characters started out significantly better than the average folk. It became less about the heroic journey and more about the journey of heroes. There was also a lack of vulnerability at higher levels - unlike in earlier editions, where a large force of foot soldiers posed a respectable (though not typically serious) threat to a group, and a lengthy fall was always a dange even to the hardiest of adventurers, 3rd edition characters eventually built up enough of a reserve that those things were well beneath their worries (for example, a Fighter, who may break a hundred HP at level 20 in 2e, would usually reach that point at level 10). The rework to Saves also made many of the different spells feel much more alike, and the 3.5 rework made spells have much less impact than they previously had (note: I think this was a needed step, as the spells in 3.0 didn't account for the fact that all classes now leveled at the same rate).
4th edition took things a few steps farther, effectively stretching 3e's levels 5-15 into 30 levels, and being written in a way that greatly encouraged players to think inside the box (not so the GMs, but they would need to have experience before they would really know how to write for their group, and encourage the group to explore outside the box).
The up side to these is that 3e and even more so in 4e, it was made much easier to understand what would be a good challenge for the group. Unfortunately, that came at the expense of a lot of the feel of the world and the creatures inside it.
Note: I say all of this as something of a 4e fan and a big 3e/Pathfinder fan. But there was a real change of focus from 2e and before (simulationist) to 3e (gamist).
Post subject: Re: Update on the WotC vs. Prirates Saga
Posted: 04-01-2013, 02:16 PM
WorldWorks Moderator Joined: 09-30-2006, 12:34 AM Posts: 3934 Location: New Zealand
That's a great summary Magius.
I've always preferred the hero's journey to the journey of heros. There's something about the world being truly dangerous that makes things more real and earnest for the players.
Kicking your way confidently through battle after battle is fun . . . for a while. But the really memorable adventures are those where the players are on the edge of their seats wondering whether or not their characters will make it through and out the end. (I think Grump has a poster about the 'Die Hard effect" that sums this up beautifully.)
Balancing spells and relative power between characters was helpful (Magic Users in particular became ridiculously powerful glass-cannons at high levels, and few GMs knew how to keep them in balance with the rest of the party without just killing them outright). However, while there's lots more flexibility in characters, the end result seems more homogeneous somehow - there are less of the imbalances in abilities across characters that forced cooperation and coordination for the party to be effective (and when done really well could led to memorably spectacular results).
Sadly, it seems unlikely 5e will return to the Paper-Scissors-Rock style of class divergence that made skillful cooperation such an integral part of the gameplay in earlier D&D versions.
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