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Collapsible Undercrypt
I just started buildig paper terrain this year and so I missed lots of the tips in this forum. But I am glad that there seems to be the one or another that is still active here. Hopefully someone is reading this lines.
One of the biggest problems of paper terrain in my opinion is storage of the models. Especially the older sets that are not TLX. But there a some possibilities to make them collapsble. My first attempt to this was the Undercrypt. That was pretty easy:
1) I did not use foarmcore, because it's extremly expensive here in germany. The second reason is that it is simply to thick for my way of building the undercrypt. I simply use 1mm cardboard. Why? You can build it to connect the tiles via tlx (yes! it works! ) The only thing I don't know is how big the strukture can be via "paper" tlx to be transportable in one piece but for small struktures ( 12 x 12 inch) it works perfectly. The second advantage is that you can connect this tiles with terraclips connectors and that is the way I use to get the corridors of the undercrypt connected (It's also possible to build your tiles so that you can choose which connection is better in the situation: TLX or terraclips).
2) Use the 2D tiles for your 3D strukture... because if you make it collapsable it is possible that you can't place props so exactly that they cover the white spaces of the 3D tiles.
3) The only thing that is left, is to make the undercrypt collapsible ist simply not to glue anything permanently together. Simply fold out the walls and lay your bottom-tiles inside the wall strukture. Everything fits perfekt except room 2. That is the only room I glued, but that is OK because I use it as storage box for the pieces.
4) You can fold everything perfectly flat except the walls of room 6 because this room has unequal sides, but there is only a small buckle left, if you fold it flat and so it still fit in a normal postal-box.
I hope my english is understandable. If anybody is interested I can make some pictures to show the final result although I don't know how to post them here (I have no fotobucket or how this plattforms are called) yet.
I don't know the original adventure for that Undercrypt was made because it is really a long time ago that i played rpgs. So I thought about my own adventure that is still waiting for my friends for a play. I'll use the prisoner figure from Himmelveil for a rescue mission (he will be in room 1), the scorpion from papercraft (it's free) as a monster that is summoned if you use the gong, and the skelettons and cultists from okumarts as opponents for the players.
To get into the crypt, I build an upper level with the Monoliths and Ancient World from Lord ZeZe Games. There is a guardian statue (death statue) from papercraft (also free) as opponent. The complete upper level is a little riddle the players have to solve.
Best whishes! Wiesel
P.S.: I also build a collapsable Cathedrae Noctis with free "floating" roof but the problem of this stukture is, that it is collapsible but it is relativeley difficult to build it up... well, but it works.
And, yes, in order to post pictures, you'll need some sort of web-based picture hosting service 'cuz you have to paste in the URL to them. Several, like Photobucket, are free.
I am particularly interested in your Undercrypt build as one of my friends wants to start GMing Paizo's Legacy of Fire AP, and the Undercrypt of Kelmarane was developed specifically for the 1st module in that AP. So, I'm thinking of building it and surprising him.
I have done an extensive set of 3D terrain fold-flat conversions. You can read about them over at cardboard-warriors.proboards.com either search for "fold-flat" or "oldschooldm"
There has been a lot of recent innovation in the area, and fortunately no one can copyright or patent or trademark geometry (cutting and folding), so you can use any ideas you find there.
... seems so. I put some komments to the photos. So hopefully you can use the fotos as a kind of manual how to build it kollapsable. If you have any questions, please let me know. I also include fotos of the upper level. If you like I can translate my adventure so you can use it with the set.
One thing I am missisng in the undercrypt set. The corridor tiles that makes it possible to create own dungeons: t-section and crossroad. it's of course a little bit more difficult to build because of the niches (is it the right word?). but it would look awesome!
Wonderful pictures! I followed you on Flickr - you might want to follow me back "Oracle Omega" - I've got lots of pics too, including fold-flat construction techniques.
How do you get the irregular shapes (the niches in the hallway) to stay close to the floor tile? Are you using something sticky?
Dirigible Joined: 06-15-2004, 08:55 AM Posts: 1146 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Very good ideas for making collapsible terrain! Looks to work very nicely! Thanks for posting the pictures! At the moment, I can't really think of anything that would help you with your terrain as what I see in the pictures seems to work very nicely for you!
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COG Joined: 07-15-2007, 10:44 AM Posts: 150 Location: Germany
I order my foamcore from Architekturbedarf.de, they sell 5mm sheets in two different sizes and the price isn't too bad. Note taht the white one is the right one (heh), while the black one is easier to cut but also slightly below 5mm thickness so TLX wrap tiles need some attention when scoring them.
@oldschooldm: there is no glue included. It is simply folded open and the bottom tile is pressed inside. As you can see on one of the pictures, the white taps disapear when everything is connected via the terraclips connectors. I think the pressure on the doors of the halls when you connect the single tiles makes everything fit snuggly (hopefully this is the right word... or you know what I mean).
Perhaps my own way of scoring the walls is also a key to stabilisation: I don't use a knife to score folds. The reason ist, that every time you use a knife to pre-score the folds, you hurt the surface of the paper and this weakens the material and you need to edge the white cutting lines. I simply use a ruler with sharp sides and fold the paper over it (its more like bending than folding) and "score" the fold with my fingernails. If you try it, you will see that the printed grafik is not affected by this kind of scoring. And because of that the complete structure is a little bit stiffer than scoring it with a knife. So the walls stay a little better in shape and the niches of room 5 are no problem. Only the distances between the niches in room 2 are to big,, so you need to glue the room (or make little pockets with another paper sheet on the underside of the bottom tile, thats the way I made the cathedrae collapsible). And room 1 needs a little bit of support with a rubber band near the stairs as you can see on the foto.
@Cherno: Thank you very for the tip with achitekturbedarf.de. I'll send you a PM (I've never done this before in this forum, so I don't know if this works...). Now I can build Dragon Pistol
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