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Dkarr makes a good point. You can't RPG on your own. Well, you can, but its nowhere near as fun. So find out what they're playing.
However, if you have your choice, I'd go with D20 or Savage Worlds.
In years past I played a whole lot of different games. Lately, its been mostly D&D (D20), which has its upsides. I'm still running a D20 game, and will continue to run one, and I like it. I grew up playing D&D, so there is some loyalty there, but its also a pretty fair system, relatively easy to learn the basics of from someone that knows how to play, and extensible. (Its tougher to learn D20 on your own, I've found.) Its also got a lot of bookkeeping involved, though.
I'm starting to get into Savage Worlds. In fact, we're creating NE characters right now for a game we're going to do online. (NE = Necessary Evil - you play Supervillains defending the world.) I bought the revised rules PDF from RPG.now ($20 - the hardcover had some printing delays since its printed in Thailand, and they're having some uh, weather issues there). Its a _great_ system. Fast, easy to learn, flexible, fun. I can't think of anything you couldn't do with it, although the magic rules are more tactical than epic (no big giant huge spells), but the system is flexible enough to rectify that with little effort. Heck, I was watching Highlander (the TV show) last night, and thought that SW would be a GREAT system for doing Immortals (and just might do it).
I've found D20 is more about details, Savage Worlds is more about flavor. Both can use minis (in fact, both were designed with minis in mind, but can be used without). One other note - in D20 you have to worry a lot about game balance, because of the way its designed and the level of power characters can acheive. SW doesn't seem to have those issues. Starting SW characters are more "powerful" than starting D20 characters, but it appears to me that they don't ever achieve the same level of near-godhood, even at Legendary status.
Ultimately, any system is fun if the people you play with are fun. Experiment (both with your RPG groups and different games). You'll find what you like.
When you can't run anymore, you crawl. When you can't crawl, find someone to carry you.
COG Joined: 09-17-2004, 01:40 AM Posts: 102 Location: Seattle, WA
I'd have to recommend Savage Worlds, too. It's a great system, and I've got two complete "never before RPGed" players in my group, and they pretty much got the hang of it in one or two sessions.
@Robby: See! I told you NE was cool!
It is a really good point that others make, though, to find a group first and give it a go with whatever they're doing before you buy anything. d20 is probably the most common out there (D&D and its various offshoots--d20 Modern, Star Wars d20, etc.). Probably the next most popular would be White Wolf stuff (World of Darkness, Vampire, etc.). This is a good system, too (better than d20 IMNSHO), but the setting is pretty specific, so you may not be into it.
Either way, welcome to the boards and to the wonderful RPG hobby!
COG Joined: 05-29-2004, 07:47 PM Posts: 81 Location: Northern IL
I gotta recommend the D&D starter box if you really don't know any existing groups to join. Talk to some friends first about playing. You NEED 4-5 people to really have a satisfactory experience as a beginner. The D&D Starter Box isn't really a full RPG in it's own right, but it's a solid box to teach you the nuts and bolts, as well as giving you a handful of fairly generic minis and dice and such.
I would recommend running through it with some friends, then discussing what you liked / don't like about it and what you would prefer.
Savage Worlds is a cool system for freeform gaming. D20 is great if you can get players who agree on how seriously to take the rules (some players want to play it 100% as written, but it'll lead to a pretty dry game), and it has a LOT of supporting material. The White Wolf stuff has a lot of edgier stuff, and some interesting rules. Really, it just depends on what kind of game your group wants to play.
Also, it's worth considering that playing D&D will make people laugh at you, playing White Wolf will make people roll their eyes at you, and anything else will jut confuse 'em.
Some of Mongoose Publishing's OGL games are worth looking into as well, though they use the D20 system mechanics they are stand alone games. Some of them have come out in inexpensive pocket editions which are excellent buys. (Conan, Fantasy, and Modern are currently available, as is B5 - but that is not a stand alone game, you will need the D&D Player's Handbook as well, or the aforementioned Fantasy pocket guide.) Conan is getting very good reviews locally, and it does a decent job of being true to Howard's work.
I am running OGL Steampunk and having a blast. (Literally, I killed a PC and maimed two others with an artillery round session before last...) There is also Cybernet, Wild West, Horror, Lone Wolf, and Ancients.
World of Warcraft and EverQuest II RPGs by White Wolf/Sword & Sorcery are also stand alone books, though they are a few months down the road.. (Why they felt the need to do World of Warcraft as well as Warcraft I do not know.) If the computer game is popular in your area you might well be able to find players for a regular game as well.
The Auld Grump
Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit.
COG Joined: 09-17-2004, 01:40 AM Posts: 102 Location: Seattle, WA
You've started down that dark path... where you must continually buy more and more gaming books (and you thought Games Workshop was bad!)
Seriously, though, if you're wanting to GM, there are pretty much three books that you will most likely need: Player's Handbook, Gamemaster's Guide, and at least one Monster Manual.
DISCLAIMER: I haven't played D&D for quite a while, basically since right after the first 3.0 Monster Manual. I did, however, play D&D for quite some time pre-WotC (all the way back to the brown box), and ever since Advanced D&D, the DMG, PHB, MM thing has been the requirement for a DM to own.
Your best bet is to actually try to get with a group and play a few times, though. Since you've got the basic box (I have no idea what's in that), you should be able to make a character and (with the help of an already existing group) get a feel for the game. If you decide you like it, and want to keep playing, pick up the Player's Handbook (PHB). If and when you think you might want to run games, maybe borrow a Dungeonmaster's Guide (DMG) and read through it. If you find you're running fairly regularly, then pick up your own copy of the DMG.
I'll let someone more familiar with the current state of D&D give you more suggestions on where to go from there, but I doubt many will disagree with this basic assessment (of course, some will, but who cares about them? ).
Though you can find quite a few player written DM screens and rules summaries.
Or, if you are completely insane you can get the
A $20 DM's screen. That looks... worth it. I haven't bought it... yet... It has a table for randomly rolling pizza toppings... And they have a guided tour... of a DM's screen...
D&D Basic has vastly simplified rules, and only allows character advancement to 2nd level. That said it has enough miniatures that if you want prepainted figures it is a worthwhile purchase, and good for toe dabbling.
And in the next few months there is going to be a book...
My mind boggled.
The Auld Grump
*EDIT* Now that looks much neater - not to mention narrower.
Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit.
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Let's not forget the SRD, which are the "open source" rules for D&D, contains most of the monsters you'll want in a game. It is available for free from WOTC. It also has most of the magic items from the DMG.
So really, all you really need is the PHB.
Jeff
"Using my steel-strong hair as a MOP, I can scrub up every last bit of this sticky syrup!" --Superman
WorldWorks Developer Joined: 10-09-2004, 06:06 AM Posts: 468 Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for all the help. After going through the box more thoroughly, it looks like a light version of the game (from what I can gather). This suits me well for the moment as I can play a few games and see if I like the system. At $40 AUD, it isn't too much of an investment if I decide to go a different route.
WorldWorks Developer Joined: 10-09-2004, 06:06 AM Posts: 468 Location: Melbourne, Australia
I am from Melbourne, born and bred. It is a shame that the only way we could get the pre-printied product down here is from the internet. PDF's are fine, but shipping costs and hassles generally prevent me from purchasing physical items from the 'net. Good to see a fellow Aussie on here!
WorldWorks Developer Joined: 10-09-2004, 06:06 AM Posts: 468 Location: Melbourne, Australia
I am using an Epson stylus CX3100. It prints pretty well on cardstock and I can get a pretty good amount of pages out of a cartridge. We get the cartridges very cheapfrom computer swapmeets, i'm talking like $10 for a new cartridge, which is cheaper than a refill!
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